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To: tejek who wrote (149213)	8/7/2002 4:43:59 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579676

Ted, <You say a decent sized minority supports affirmative action. I would have to disagree. 52% of the US population is made up of women.......> Classic "divide-n-conquer." I'll bet the white woman who thought she lost her job to a black woman would not be for affirmative action. And don't even get me started on how hard-working Asians get the shaft ... Tenchusatsu

To: tejek who wrote (149213)	8/7/2002 6:05:09 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579676

Tim, at the time the poll was taken those issues apparently were considered liberal. My contention is most, if not all of them, would be considered mainstream now. For an example we both agree that a majority believe in abortion. The percentage that supports legal abortion now is about the same as the percentage that supported it then. At both times there is/was a majority for it but not a huge one. At both times being for legalized abortion is the liberal position (it doesn't become not liberal when you get 50+ % support). At both times any large group that supports it at a rate of about 90% would be considered liberal (in the absence of information that would indicate otherwise). Registered democrats as a group don't support legalized abortion 9 to 1. So on at least this issue the press is (or at least was in the early eighties) much more liberal as a group then the members of the Democratic Party are. You say a decent sized minority supports affirmative action. I would have to disagree. kaet.asu.edu delawareonline.com washingtonpost.com (see #19 at the above url its about affirmitive action but most of the poll is not) "Three out of four Americans surveyed said they opposed affirmative action programs that give preference to minorities to make up for past discrimination, and a virtually identical proportion felt the same way about programs for women, according to the survey. And more than two out of three said those programs should be changed – or eliminated. The survey found that affirmative action, like most racial issues, sharply divides whites and blacks. And within communities of color, a debate about affirmative action also rages: Nearly half of all African Americans interviewed said they opposed affirmative action programs giving preference to minorities. " washingtonpost.com 52% of the US population is made up of women.......what proportion do you think is opposed to A.A.? A majority of women are against preferences based on race or sex. The majority is smaller then that for men but it is still a majority I'm guessing but I would suspect that 30-35% of the population is made up of people of color......how many of them do you think oppose A.A.? I think about 14% of the population is black. A majority of black people support affirmitive action but not an overwhelming majority. I don't think I have stats for hispanics but I'm pretty sure that you are not talking an overwhelming majority of hispanics support it. My guess (and this is only an educated guess) is that a majority of Asians oppose affirmitive action. Do you think all white men are opposed to A.A.? Not all, but a very large majority of them are opposed to prefrences. Well, that can't be right.....at least 10-15% of them are gay? That figure is too high, esp with an "at least" in front of it. Besides some gay people oppose prefrences. I believe the majority of registered voters are Dems. True but the difference is not large and the number of actual voters for the parties in presidential and congressional races has been about even. Democrats are more likely to vote for Republicans then Republicans are to vote for Democrats. There is still a small but not insignificant minority of Democrats that are mostly conservative, but identify themselves as democrats because of family history or union ties, or whatever. The amount of Republicans that are Republican just because there parents and their parents parents where Republican seems to be lower. it wasn't a majority but it was closer than I expected....the low 40's I think. And the poll said more and more Americans see a link between third world poverty and our way of life. I'd like to see the wording on the poll. In any case the idea is pretty nonsensical. The biggest reason for third world poverty is the deficits of the governments and laws of third world countries. Other reasons include things like local overpopulation (in places like Bangladesh) and wars (although war could be considered to frequently be the results of the awful governments I talked about as the first reason. While the views of the journalists do diverge to some degree from the population in general, its not by a whole bunch. On at least some issues it is by a whole lot, and on a number of other issues it may not be so big but its noticeable. One issue where the bias is really noticeable not just in opinion polls of journalists but in their articles and TV news pieces is gun control. Tim