To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (36858 ) 8/11/2002 1:12:39 AM From: D. Long Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500 NO stalemate, Derek, your sentences contain patent errors: You write: "because the government was forcing them (oil companies) to sell gas far below the price of gas..." OPEC, not the US, decided pricing. THe Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, was formed in 1973 to control world oil prices. During the embargo/"shortage" gas prices quadrupled at the pump(from 30 cents to over a dollar), NOT as you assert: "gas prices were far below the price of gas". And as I said, the US federal government instituted PRICE CAPS and RATIONING. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. PRICE CAPS AND RATIONING, Karen. ------------------------------------------------------------libertyhaven.com Typically, the government didn't act as much as it reacted. Congress demanded action. A centralized oil allocation process was quickly put together (Mr. Simon terms it a "disaster"). Oil price controls, already in place under President Nixon's "New Economic Policy" Of generalized wage--price controls, were tightened (thereby compounding the crisis). But it didn't shut them up. Pressure increased for formal rationing, which the price- controlled oil-starved oil companies and gas stations practically resorted to anyway, pretty much without any specific government directive (though some states such as Oregon directed that motorists with even-numbered plates shop for gas on certain days of the week, and motorists with odd-numbered plates shop on other days). Gas lines lengthened into two, three, four--hour waits. The centralized allocation system "kept falling apart." Parts of New Jersey suddenly went dry, for example, while other parts had plenty of gas. Palm Beach ran out of gas, while stations ten miles away were well supplied. Tempers frayed across the nation, while domestic supplies and exploration lagged (and lag still) in the face of price lids and environmentalist harassment, which continue to this hour. ------------------------------------------------------------ It was Nixon's price controls in 1973, limiting the price of oil below its market value, which led to shortages and lines at gas pumps, NOT an OPEC price spike.uri.edu One price control that lingered was the control on oil prices, and in 1973 the US saw the impact of a "wrong price." This was the time when the OPEC nations cut off oil supply to the US, and because the price of oil was fixed, there was an excess demand for oil that showed up as long lines of cars waiting to get gas. In 2000, when the price of oil rose sharply again, there were no price controls and the impact of another OPEC supply cut was steeply higher prices, but no lines. -----------------------------------------------------------You wrote "After the '78 shortage, there was extensive legislation passed ramping up alternative...", NO. The '73 crisis brought immediate changes to Detroit and car manufacturing and as well as action from the WH. Nixon called for folks to conserve, and we did. In addition to odd/even day only gas purchase restrictions, stations were closed Sundays. This went on for months, when restrictions were lifted until the '78 "shortage", which was relatively short-lived. YES. Vehicle mileage standards legislation was passed in 1975, and Carter pushed for even stricter mileage standards after '78. The "even/odd day" gas rationing was part of exactly what you have been attempting to deny: government price, supply, and allocation controls implemented by Nixon in '73. Which I have supplied supporting documentation for. Restrictions on price and allocations didn't end until 1980, when Reagan abolished the government controls on oil.Twice you claim gas cost $12/gal in '73. Your quote: "might have been $12 per gallon, I can't recall" According to your profile you weren't born until the following year, 1974. I should have looked sooner. "sigh" I lived through those times and changes and remember them. No, I didn't. The second time I admitted the probability of my error in recollection by stating:Might have been $12 a barrel , can't recall. A BARREL, Karen. Which was correct. As to what I am claiming to recall , I never stated it was personal recollection. Your recollection seems to be just as faulty, since I've provided multiple counters to your insistence that gas lines were caused by OPEC price spikes, and your obstinence in refusing to accept factual evidence of PRICE CONTROLS.There should be a ton of information online if you look. You can also find contemporaneous accounts at the library in newspaper and magazine archives. I've provided documentation to my claims. You've provided none. Take your own advice. Derek