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To: JohnM who wrote (37199)	8/12/2002 9:50:38 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

The NYTimes is in the center. Lots and lots of political space to its left. I have to print this out and show it to my husband. It will make his day. ;^) The New York Times is a very fine newspaper. I read it on-line every day (not every bit of it, just the bits that attract my attention.) It is NOT, however, in the center of the US political spectrum. Yes, there are positions further to the left, but they are sparsely populated. The New York Times hasn't endorsed a Republican since Eisenhower. My guess is that the most centrist news outlet in the US is probably the Christian Science Monitor, but I don't read it that often, so it's just a guess. Or maybe USA Today. Or maybe this is a fool's game, because nobody on earth is unbiased, not even reporters. (said in a slightly sarcastic tone) I am sure you have no trouble at all recognizing that Fox News and the Washington Times are not balanced, and tend to the right. Well, the NYTimes is not balanced, either, and tends to the left. I hope you don't think that you, yourself, are in the center. Maybe that's the difficulty?

To: JohnM who wrote (37199)	8/12/2002 10:57:38 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

As for znet being to the left of Nader, there are lots of folks out there. I've been making that point. The NYTimes is in the center. Lots and lots of political space to its left. True...in Bergen County. And Boston. If you're talking about the whole country of the USA, including the all those non-coastal states, NO WAY. Plenty of DLC Democrats are well to the right of the NY Times, and no Republicans are to the left of it. If the NY Times is really the center, then the Democrats must have a two-thirds majority at least. Oops, not the case. But it's nice to see you finally state your position in the open.

To: JohnM who wrote (37199)	8/12/2002 3:14:32 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The NYTimes is in the center. Lots and lots of political space to its left. Not really, John. Reading your "food fight" with Nadine, I have come to the conclusion that you are in a state of denial on the NYT. After watching Coulter on "Book Notes," I stopped by Borders and browsed her book. She said on the show that the Editor for her first book, "High Crimes and Misdemeanors," died before she had the second one finished. The Publisher, a part of the "Murdoch," empire, cancelled her book contract, even though the first book had sold a quarter of a million copies. Shows you that Murdoch does not totally control his business's It took her agent two months to get another Publisher. She was turned down by every major NY publisher. Comments coming back to her agent would read, "Does not advance the dialogue." She finally got a publisher though a personal contact with an editor who went to bat for her. This, on a author with that big a first book sale. The situation seems to be that the publishers put politics ahead of profits on Conservative books. They don't want to be harassed by their peers at cocktail parties. The book went to number one on the "Times" Best Seller list the first week out, and has now been there for six straight weeks. Coulter sets out to prove that the NYT, WP, all three TV Networks, Time, Newsweek, and US News and World report, are captives of the left. She did this by researching "Lexis/Nexis" and "Google," pulling stories from these media sources, and then matching the quotes up with the stories involved. She never makes a statement in the book, other than personal opinion, without backing it up with the source. This means that she lists a source for almost every paragraph, and has thirty two pages of references at the back. The result is devastating to the media involved. It backs up everything that Nadine, et al, have been posting about media bias. The NYT has not, and will not, review the book. (Rush's book was number one for a year, and never got a review.) The WP published a review a couple of weeks ago, that attacked her for saying things that were the exact opposite of what she published in the book, showing that the reviewer had not read it. I really didn't post this for you, but for others here who might be interested. I know that you will never believe this.