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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (37299)8/12/2002 1:42:19 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Something else you may not be seeing, that I'm seeing:

Iraqi Kurds fear Islamic militant group - Wednesday,
24 July, 2002
By Jim Muir
BBC correspondent in the Kurdish area of Iraq

Fighters of the Ansar al-Islam have been in action against Pesh Merga guerrillas from the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, or PUK, which controls the eastern half of the Kurdish region of Iraq.

The Ansar are a major headache for the main Kurdish factions.
Earlier this month, they killed eight PUK men in an attack. But the most serious action by the Islamic extremists was last year when they surprised a village held by the PUK. They captured and massacred 42 Pesh Merga guerrillas.

They even filmed themselves picking over the bodies of their victims, some of whom had their hands tied behind their backs. The PUK later captured the film when they staged a counter-attack.

Stark vision

In a rare interview with a Kurdish newspaper, the Ansar leader Mullah Krekar, with his long black beard and black and white turban, outlines the stark vision of Islam which his followers adhered to. "Democracy is based on four principles which are not permissible in Islam. As far as Islam is concerned, democracy from beginning to end is heresy". The Ansar control a belt of territory stretching up to the mountain ridge that marks the border with Iran. Kurdish sources believe the Ansar get both weapons and training from Iran - though Tehran denies this. With the Ansar perched right on the Iranian border, there must at least be a degree of tolerance.

Shwan Mohammad of the Kurdish newspaper Hawlati, who interviewed the Ansar leader Mullah Krekar says this is in line with Iran's objectives.

"Iranian Government always plans to make Islamic security along its border with Kurdistan, so Iran is using these Islamic groups to this purpose first, and also as a pressure card on the secular groups in Kurdistan," Mr Mohammad said.

'Al-Qaeda link'

Jalal Talabani is leader of the most secular of those groups, the PUK. As far as he is concerned, there is only one thing that is certain about the Ansar's affiliations.

"There was relation between them and Afghanistan, al-Qaeda and Taleban.

"Many of them were trained there, and there are now about 20 to 30 Arabs who are trained from Afghanistan and came here to Kurdistan, they are now with them. Even their leaders are from these Arabs."


At the security prison in PUK- controlled territory, a captured Iraqi intelligence officer of 20 years standing, Abu Iman al-Baghdadi, insisted that one of the top Ansar leaders, Abu Wail, is an active Iraqi intelligence officer and that the group is heavily infiltrated by Baghdad. "Their basic allegiance is to al-Qaeda but some of them were trained in Iraq and went to Afghanistan. When the Americans attacked, they came here. Iraq is supporting them and using them to carry out attacks."If Iran, Iraq and al-Qaeda are all indeed involved with the Ansar in one way or another, they certainly make strange bedfellows. But the common denominator is that they are all opposed to the Americans, so there is logic to it.

If the Americans do go ahead with their plans to get rid of Saddam Hussein's Iraqi regime, there is no doubt that the Ansar al-Islam will be a group to watch.

puk.org



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (37299)8/12/2002 2:13:19 PM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
You do have a way of changing the subject in these discussions, Hawk. I have no comment on any discussion of good and bad Al Qaeda. I wouldn't know how to make such distinctions.

As for the rest of your post, the key thing, so far as I can tell, is the link between Al Qaeda and Saddam. The evidence in The New Yorker story and in those other stories as to such a link was weak to none, unless you've seen something I have not. I don't see anything in this post that offers any evidence on that score.

As for some of the rest of that post, I did not realize you and I were discussing whether to let some great world religion "fall under the tyranny of extremists." I know you were talking about the Muslim faith, but there are extremists in Protestantism, Catholicism, and Judaism. Does that mean you don't wish any of them to "fall under the tyranny of extremists." I gather you are extremely bothered by brother Fallwell and Robertson, by the Israelis who see the West Bank as god's grant to them, and by these folk:

The Rev. John McCloskey
The Catholic Church's K Street lobbyist.
By Chris Suellentrop


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