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To: SpecialK who wrote (38897)8/12/2002 2:37:54 PM
From: Casaubon  Respond to of 52237
 
As stated previously, expensing on exercise works fine.

IMO, it's really more of a gov't tax thing why this won't happen. Uncle Sam is a pay as you play scheme. So, it's more than likely the expensing of choice will be based on some kind of time based function (ie. Black-Scholes).

If an option expires worthless after 8 or 10 years, then the company would not have incentivized the worker with any monetary gain and would also have expensed it.

No. You would have been incentivized being the recipient of the options. As the recipient you take on the risk of lower cash pay for the hope of reeping future rewards in excess of a simple cash salary, in the form of stock appreciation. It is not the case that you weren't incentivized, rather you (and the company) failed to generate high enough productivity to advantage the option grant. Perhaps if the period of the option grant was twenty years, instead of ten, the recipient would have reaped a huge windfall (speculation). Thus you can see, as I stated earlier, the nature of the value of the option is time based. If one were to take this to the limit, the company would be merely issuing stock grants (no time limit), instead of options, and this would clearly be taxable compensation which need be expensed. So, the option grant scheme is merely a mechanism by which companies tried to incentivize workers without tax/compensation ramifications. In reality, options grants are simply fractional shares in the company but expressed as a time limitation as opposed to a quantity limitation (edit: as is the case of outright stock grant. Not to imply the option grants don't have quantity limitations though!).

You would get lower net income and less productivitity. That doesn't make sense.

Lower net income is the risk you take in lieu of cash upfront, in the hope of future payout. The time nature of the option has value which keeps the worker incentivized. If you reep no reward, you have ultimately failed in your gamble but, the company has still given you something. Thus, the option grant is remuneration and must be expensed.

Again, expensing when exercised would be my ideal solution but I doubt Uncle Sam will allow.



To: SpecialK who wrote (38897)8/12/2002 3:40:17 PM
From: TimbaBear  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 52237
 
SpecialK

How about expensing when options are exercised? That might make more sense.

I'm in favor of regulatory change that 1). requires that there be no dilution due to the exercise of options and 2). requires the cost of shares purchased to prevent said dilution to be expensed.

Trying to do who-do-voodoo with Black-Scholes or any other such crystal ball gazing is ridiculous. The real cost of options is the cost that is attempting to be cast off upon the shareholder. The company is in business, let it expense whatever incentive programs it wishes to implement is a fair and above board manner that let's everyone see the true cost of doing that business, not just those costs the company hasn't found a creative way not to count.

TimbaBear