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To: BigBull who wrote (37331)	8/12/2002 3:51:52 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi BigBull; Sorry for accidentally suggesting that you've accused me of treason. I just added that comment to the P.S. because I thought of it in regard to some other post but didn't think it really needed a whole FADG entry. In fact, I had just posted that it wasn't reasonable to expect accusations of treason in our society because the FADG thread was so bereft of them. (See #reply-17866368 ). But the 15-minute edit window was closed on that post, so I edited the comment into my reply to you. I've been posting a lot the last few days and need to get some of my work done. But no excuses, just apologies. But now that we get the topic started, I do hold people who support our enemies during wartime as traitors. They have to exhibit a pretty severe degree before they get to the point of being actionable. But posing on their antiaircraft guns counts. -- Carl P.S. I also didn't notice that we have sharp disagreements. In fact, I'm rather disconnected from this whole topic, emotionally. I see the whole thing as a chess match whose outcome will effect me negligibly. I'm too old and decrepit to draft, LOL.

To: BigBull who wrote (37331)	8/12/2002 4:11:41 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

Let me put this in language that is unequivocal. I do not regard anyone with an anti-war position to be treasonous. Amen... Neither do I. But I just wish there was more attention being paid to promoting anti-war sentiments within the Extremist Islamic world, than worrying about a nation which you have to drag kicking and screaming into any major conflict. It would have been much tougher for me to advocate an invasion of Iraq prior to 9/11, but right now, I'm willing to neutralize anyone who even remotely appears to have supported these folks. (That's why I don't have a great deal of sympathy for the Palestinians who danced in the streets). In war, you have to create your own sense of "right" and defeat any enemy violently willing to oppose your views. And it is certain this is the same justification that groups like Al-Qaeda has used in waging these attacks upon the US, since they inherently know that the enemy of their form of system is democracy (since they are trying to create Theocracies). Thus, we are facing a battle of cultures here. And we can either fight to preserve our values and extend them throughout the world, or we can stand idly by and wait until 1.3 Billion people are subjugated to the Islamists. It may not be treason to fail to acknowledge this trend, but it certainly is going to be hard to explain to our descendants as to why we failed to nip it in the bud when we had the chance. Hawk