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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (37372)	8/12/2002 7:50:57 PM
From: kumar	Respond to of 281500

If you don't want to admit that this was an act of war, I guess I really would like to know what constitutes such act in your eyes. 1. The word "admit" is kinda heavily loaded, even for me. 2. IMHO, "war" relates to declared acts of agression between 2 or more nations. ie. governments are at war, not necessarily the people that live in those countries. happy to help clarify more, if appropriate. cheers, kumar

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (37372)	8/12/2002 9:11:24 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Al-Qaeda cannot exist without support from various nations who provide it safe haven and financial support, one must presume that their actions represent proxy attacks by the leaders of those nations. I really wish that this were true. Unfortunately, it's not. The amounts of money involved are not so great that they require state support, and the terrorists themselves are better sheltered - and more able to do their dirty work - in Western nations that respect civil liberties than they are in Muslim theocracies. The Al Qaeda bases in Afghanistan were largely devoted to training and indoctrinating large numbers of footsoldiers for holy wars across Africa and Asia. They do need state support and safe havens to do that. Unfortunately, the offensive Al Qaeda arm that we need to worry about was never based in Afghanistan: it is entrenched in Europe and in other modern nations. The terrorist that will hurt the US is not a turbaned illiterate clutching an AK47 in a cave in Pakistan. It's the English-speaking fellow that lives in an urban apartment in an EU country and carries an EU passport.