To: TimbaBear who wrote (38925 ) 8/13/2002 11:46:58 AM From: Casaubon Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 52237 We're halfway there.the company would have recorded an expense it didn't have....and you believe this promotes clarity in reporting? The tenet of my conversation has never been clarity in reporting , though I believe options expensing will lead to greater clarity in accounting. The point has only been options expensing. Wherein, we agree on the method of expensing at exercise. We do not agree on Black-Scholes, as you do not seem to understand it. The granting of the options help attract and retain talent. That is a form of remuneration. The employee made the decision to accept this as a form of remuneration, in lieu of potentially earning a higher cash salary (elsewhere) up front , with the expectation of greater rewards sometime in the future , through stock price appreciation . Just because the employee's gamble didn't pay off doesn't mean the options grant was valueless. It kept the employee working diligently (hopefully), towards the goal of higher corporate profitability. The at the money ISO grant has the value of time to expiration just as any other call or put option would. Under the system I propose, where the company is not allowed to have shareholder dilution due to option exercise ... still would not have incurred any expense due to the strategy you can't have it both ways. If the employee exercises then, there is an incurred expense. Also, if the employee never exercises, there was still value to the company because the employee chose to remain working for said company instead of a competitor . The option grant kept the employee at the company while limiting labor costs. That value needs to be expensed and Black-Scholes works to estimate the cost to the investors. Other than that, I agree, expensing at exercise is an acceptable, even preferable, method for options accounting (as I've already stated numerous times). However, having said that, there are reasons which I've delineated previously (pay as you play gov't accounting), where Black-Scholes (yes, I'm sorry you don't understand it) can be used instead.Black-Scholes may have more effective utilization in options(puts and calls) pricing and evaluation. There's no difference except the timeframes involved. Due to the longer term nature of ISO option grants the interest rate variable becomes much more pronounced in the calculation, as per LEAP pricing phenomenon.