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To: Dayuhan who wrote (37769)8/14/2002 6:15:09 AM
From: maceng2  Respond to of 281500
 
Wonderful point

As mentioned yesterday. There is an astounding silence on the Iraq issue. Even the nefarious Chris Floyd, the British independent journalist of the Moscow Times, seems a little muted.

I typed my view yesterday, meaning to look at it again today just to recheck it. Here it is...

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"The forces of evil will carry their coffins on their backs, die in disgraceful failure, taking their schemes back with them or digging their own graves," he said. "No greedy tyrant should be misled into an action the consequences of which are beyond their calculations."
/endquote.

news.ft.com

OK

Now lets just recheck what Mr Chris Floyd has to say in the MT. He is about anti Bush it gets.

tmtmetropolis.ru

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Yet now, suddenly, he (Saddam) must be "taken out" -- apparently because some shaman told the War Leader that after almost four decades of wealth and power, Saddam is about to commit suicide by attacking the nuclear-armed nations of the United States and Israel. (It's funny what those drums -- and a few cups of haoma -- can lead you to believe.)
/endquote.

Hmmm, Well, Saddam did invade Iran. Saddam did invade Kuwait. Now we are supposed to believe that Saddam isn't a power grabbing nutball, and is not a threat?

George Bush and the American government plus military forces get my vote to handle this one as they see fit.

As usual, the attendant risks have been considered here. It's getting close to that special UW time I expect.

I hope it's just Saddam and the close set of supporters who keep him in power who get nailed. Also hope of course Putin and the majority of the Russian Parliament has pre approved anything that happens.

Regarding the Iran presidents comments (in prev. post BBC link)

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The Iranian president described US policy as wrong, particularly the decision to blame Iran for being a threat. And he urged the US to think carefully before intervening in any country's affairs
/endquote.

Hopefully the mis understandings between USA, Britain, etc and that country will be diminished over time. It will take some trust and goodwill effort on all sides to acheive that aim.

In my experience the vast majority of both Iranian and Iraqi people are as about as nice as you could meet. I don't wish them any more suffering either.



To: Dayuhan who wrote (37769)8/14/2002 9:59:06 AM
From: carranza2  Respond to of 281500
 
I thought your point about European cooperation was a good one, too, but not quite as earth-shattering as John thinks it is.

The fact of the matter is that European/American cooperation on terror is in the best interests of both, and is unlikely to be affected by disagreements about Iraq.

Al Qaeda is known to have made plans to blow up the Eiffel Tower in a similar aviation attack as the one on the WTC. No matter how much the French disagree with the assault on Iraq, they will share information on the war on terror. It is in their best interests to coordinate with us in order to forestall attacks such as the one which was foiled. Ditto the Germans and Italians, all of which have growing Islamic populations within their territories.

These things are not ruled by emotions but by interests. Even if there is a diplomatic disagreement between the Europeans and the US on Iraq, cooperation on anti-terror activities will continue.