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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: epicure who wrote (54710)8/15/2002 11:17:51 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
Unfortunately, I promised my son to give him the computer back, so I cannot stay to work through some of these issues right now. I will say that the turn in my conversation with Karen came over her making out as if it were only smugness and lack of inclusiveness on the part of the religious that caused problems. My point was that it was natural for religious persons to think that atheism is inherently nihilistic, and therefore to fear its corrosive affect on morality in the long run. Thus, rather than smugness, there is a real objection and misgiving at the heart of the tension between the two. That does not mean there can be no cooperation, but in the long run, the religious must necessarily prefer a society of one sort, and the secular a different society. It is rather like the tension between true conservatives and libertarians in the Republican Party:we can agree on enough to emphasize points of cooperation and minimize points of difference, but if we ever were to triumph decisively over liberals, we would next fight one another.......



To: epicure who wrote (54710)8/16/2002 3:04:08 AM
From: average joe  Respond to of 82486
 
You're just a little uptight.

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To: epicure who wrote (54710)8/16/2002 10:48:33 AM
From: J. C. Dithers  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
I know of no humanists who are in favor of promiscuous teen age sex

I don't doubt but that is true. I believe that humanists are of good instinct. It is the tolerance part that I worry about. The part about being practical, realistic, and non-judgmental. The part about not shoveling s**t against the tide, and accepting that things like that are going to happen, and we have to live with it.

That's what bothers me about humanists.