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To: reaper who wrote (50492)	8/16/2002 5:50:21 PM
From: The Freep	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 209892

OT/ Reaper, far be it from me to disagree with you on anything, but I gotta say that baseball is more than just statistics. Simply put, there are intangibles that no statistics -- however you, Elias, or Bill James calculates them -- can measure. You think the Red Sox don't play better when Pedro is pitching? Of course they do. They're amped up. They're trying extra hard cuz they know they've got a good chance to win. You think Soriano had an easier time by having Jeter at SS than had he been playing with an inexperienced no-name? I'm sure he did. Weren't Freddie Patek and Cookie Rojas better as a team than separate? Again with Jeter, that play he made in the Series last year was not only a great play, but it impacted the team/game far more than "Assist" in the box score implies. (BTW, I think Jeter is probably overrated, but he's damn good. These two examples just popped into my head, that's all, and weren't meant to reflect on that SS argument). What about players like Darin Erstadt or Jim Edmonds who play all out and are constantly mentioned by teammates as people who raise the level of play of everyone around them? What about "clubhouse leadership"? Who the hell knows what it is, but you only need to look at the Dodgers circa 2001 vs 2002 to know that it means something. What statistic quantifies that? Are managers judged strictly on won loss records? No way -- some managers have done tremendously well with no talent at their disposal and others have a winning record but often get lambasted (Bob Brenly, for instance). I am a baseball statistics nut, but I think trying to shoehorn the game strictly into raw numbers simplifies and lessens it. I agree that facts often tell a different story than impressions, but that is, as always, only part of the picture. the freep, who will see y'all next week.