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To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (145618)	8/16/2002 7:07:26 PM
From: Oeconomicus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164684

...the problem is that wcom was $7,000,000,000 off. that ain't chump change it show ahahahaha doesn't understand the telecom market. Don't know this ahaha... dude, but he was hardly alone in getting fooled by the Ebbers Sullivan show. Deutsche Bank bought 11% of MCIT and Alliance Capital picked up another 112 million shares of WCOM (on top of the 210 million they owned at 3/31) thinking the earnings were real and the stock was an incredible bargain. And presumably, someone was getting paid decent bucks as a buy-side analyst at both firms - hard to argue they were complicit, recommending the stock in spite of known problems hoping for i-banking biz. Yes, it seems obvious now, but then the entire industry was fooled as well. Bob PS: Misery DOES love company. ;-(

To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (145618)	8/16/2002 7:44:21 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164684

it would not be a big deal if he didn't contradict himself while calling someone else and amateur. Sorry Skeeter- to get you caught up in my tirade! I think that's Jorj's issue with ahahaha is his arrogance, not the fact that he was wrong, or whether he was wrong... whatever- and I can respect that because I don't like arrogance either. I just chimed in because I see more of that attitude on the short side lately, but either way its a bummer to read. L

To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (145618)	12/8/2002 8:26:58 PM
From: craig crawford	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164684

see, i told you saturated fat isn't bad for you! it's good for you. dr sears, time to admit you are wrong about eggs and red meat and that you are just a modified atkins copycat. Atkins-Type Diet May Not Be So Bad for Cholesterol story.news.yahoo.com CHICAGO (Reuters Health) - A very low carbohydrate, Atkins-type diet appears to shift the size of cholesterol particles from small to large, and that is a good thing for the heart, researchers reported here on Monday at the American Heart Association (news - web sites) (AHA) meeting. ......................................................................................................................... Westman reported that patients on the low-carb diet lost an average of 31 pounds during the study period compared with a 20-pound weight loss in the low-fat diet group. He added that participants tended to stick to the low-carb diet better than those assigned to the low-fat diet. Not only was the effect on weight loss greater with the Atkins diet, but it also changed the composition of the cholesterol in the blood, with a shift from small particles to larger ones. The Atkins diet lowered low-density lipoprotein (LDL, or the bad cholesterol) levels and very low-density lipoprotein (VLDL) and raised high-density lipoprotein (HDL, or the good cholesterol) levels. Westman reported that the beneficial effects of the low-carb diet were especially pronounced on the VLDL type of cholesterol, which is the cholesterol type most strongly linked to heart disease. Results show a 49% reduction in VLDL levels in the low-carb group compared with 17% for those on the low-fat diet. The higher the HDL level, the lower the risk of heart disease. Subjects on the low-fat diet had a 1% decrease in HDL cholesterol, while those on the low-carb diet had an 8% increase in HDL. Study Supports a Steak and the Heart story.news.yahoo.com TUESDAY, Nov. 19 (HealthScoutNews) -- It sounds like nutritional heresy, but eating a high-protein, whopping-fat diet can lead to more weight loss than heart-healthy meals while possibly improving cholesterol levels. That's the word from a just-released study that compared the popular Atkins diet with dieting guidelines from the American Heart Association (news - web sites). The Duke University study found that people shed about 50 percent more pounds on the Atkins plan and also saw their HDL (or "good") cholesterol surge while levels of triglycerides -- fats linked to heart disease -- plummeted. All that, despite the fact that adherents to the Atkins diet ate about 60 percent of their calories from fat, much of which was saturated fat from meat that experts consider perilous to cardiovascular health.