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To: reaper who wrote (50500)	8/16/2002 6:48:00 PM
From: Cactus Jack	Respond to of 209892

reaper, <i think 'raise level of play of others around them' is bullshit.> I would disagree to the extent that leading by example (i.e. level of preparation, study of the game, demeanor on and off the field) can have a positive impact on others in ways that stats might not be able to quantify. <btw, if it was anybody than the slowest man on earth Jeremy Giambi on the bases, or if he had even SLID, we wouldn't even be talking about this.> True, and that is an example of how/why Jeremy Giambi's stats don't quantify what a POS he is. <G> Nonetheless, Jeter made a remarkable play. jpg

To: reaper who wrote (50500)	8/16/2002 7:00:47 PM
From: The Freep	Respond to of 209892

Reaper, my friend. . . <<anyway, i'll believe in supposed 'intangibles' when somebody can empirically demonstrate them to me.>> Of course there's no empirical evidence -- there's a reason they call them intangibles, isn't there? Still, I can simplify this conversation. You state that a game played by humans, umpired by humans, and scored by humans can be reduced to mere numbers, devoid of any emotional content. I state that such a position, no matter how much it appeals to your inner stat-head, is inconsistent with human nature. Counter with as many numbers as you want, but I will forever believe you're wrong. Not that I don't love the numbers. At least we both agree that the owners and the players are rat bastards, and the Red Sox are a relic from the past. the freep