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To: pezz who wrote (12)8/19/2002 11:36:06 PM
From: lorne  Respond to of 20
 
Norwegians Will Soon Find out Evil of Islam
*In Denmark, as elsewhere, Muslims took to the streets to celebrate the terrorist attacks. A few days later, a thousand Muslims gathered in the Danish town of Nørrebro for a protest against democracy; one speaker called for "holy war" against Danish society
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**the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65 percent of rapes of Norwegian women were performed by "non-Western" immigrants-a category that, in Norway, consists mostly of Muslims.

*"Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. One reason for the high number of rapes by Muslims, explained the professor, was that in their native countries "rape is scarcely punished," since Muslims "believe that it is women who are responsible for rape

*It's hard not to see such hands-off attitudes by Westerners as a product of leftist groupthink

*Norwegian newspapers reported on Egil Straume, a radio evangelist and local Christian People's Party leader who, citing Muslim demands for "their own meeting houses, schools, and laws," predicted that "in ten to fifteen years we'll have civil war-like conditions between Muslims and Christians in Norway."

*LeBor seemed to view fundamentalist Islam in the West as being akin to a spice that enriches an otherwise bland dish. But fundamentalist Islam doesn't work that way. It doesn't flavor-it transforms, subdues, conquers

*El-Essawy, who according to the Telegraph is "considered an Islamic moderate," found it appropriate to quote the Koran's punishment for lesbians-"Keep the guilty women in their homes until they die

*Bodi argued that British authorities must recognize the Muslim community "as an organic whole" and thus accord it a larger role in resolving conflicts over forced marriage. Bodi's plaint was phrased with extreme delicacy, but the point was clear: when Muslim girls or women flee the tyranny of father or husband, the government should essentially hand them over to a group of Muslim men

*In Spain, according to a December 4 article in the New York Times, the "Islamic population has exploded" during the last ten years, during which the Muslim community of 500,000 "has become a busy logistical rear guard, apparently humming with Islamic terrorists

*In Denmark, as elsewhere, Muslims took to the streets to celebrate the terrorist attacks. A few days later, a thousand Muslims gathered in the Danish town of Nørrebro for a protest against democracy; one speaker called for "holy war" against Danish society

*After a new study showed that the persistence of current trends would make Denmark (now about 3 percent Muslim) a majority Muslim nation within sixty years, the small, reactionary Progress Party proposed ejecting "all Mohammedans" from the country

*"If you're not with us, you're against us," said President Bush soberly in the wake of September 11. Some European Muslims made it clear they were with us; some made it clear they were not.

*All the children were upset, he said, except for one little Muslim boy who was sincerely puzzled by his classmates' reactions-at his home, the boy explained, everybody was celebrating.

*On the day the World Trade Center fell, the Dutch populace learned that Moroccan immigrants in the town of Ede were rejoicing in the streets

* Danish Prime Minister Rasmussen condemned a Muslim group, Hizb-ut-Tahrir, for calling for the murder of Danish Jews

* the lesson of the unsavory Jean-Marie Le Pen's electoral success "is that if French politicians make it unacceptable to discuss such things in the mainstream, then the discussion will take place on the far-right fringes." Indeed, it is dismaying that while many leaders on the European Left continue to do their best to avoid criticizing fundamentalist Islam-which is, after all, among the most reactionary forces on the planet-they persist in attaching the label "racist" or "right-wing extremist" to any politician, such as Fortuyn, who makes bold to raise it as an issue. The longer the Left keeps trying to stifle discussion in this manner, the higher the chances of a rise to power of genuine racists and right-wing extremists.

*Fundamentalist Islam is not a race or an ethnicity; it is an ideology. Its critics are not racists, any more than critics of Nazi or Stalinist ideology are racists

*As for those who, after a period in the West, make it obvious that they are unwilling or unable to adapt, they must be sent home
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To: pezz who wrote (12)8/25/2002 7:24:59 PM
From: Thomas M.  Respond to of 20
 
The Muslim Moderator

Hamza Yusuf grew up a California surfer, then became a
cleric. Now he bridges the cultural divide

By Carla Power
NEWSWEEK INTERNATIONAL

Aug. 19 issue — When Sheik Hamza Yusuf was
summoned to the White House after the World
Trade Center attack, he brought President
George W. Bush two books. The first was a
Qur’an, bristling with Post-It notes marking key
verses. The second was “Thunder in the Sky,” a
book on the art of war by a first-century Chinese
Taoist

THESE TWO GIFTS—Islam’s holy book and a tract on
the humanistic use of power—suggest the two poles
orienting the California-based Islamic scholar. He speaks to
Americans as a Muslim, and to Muslims abroad as a
member of that most powerful tribe on earth: Americans.
Since September 11, the 43-year-old Muslim convert has
taken up a post at the cultural crossroads between the
Islamic world and the United States. Among young Western
progressive Muslims, he’s fast becoming the most
prominent Islamic cleric of his generation. His speeches at
home draw standing-room-only crowds. Moreover, says
Fuad Nahdi, publisher of the British Muslim periodical Q
News, “he can fill a hall anywhere in the Muslim world.”

Born Mark Hanson, the son of California intellectuals,
Yusuf was baptized in the Greek Orthodox Church and
raised on a ’70s diet of surfing and spiritual eclecticism. At
18, having narrowly survived a car crash, he started reading
intently about Islamic spirituality. Over the next 10 years, he
studied classical Islamic law and theology in Algeria,
Mauritania and Morocco. Today he is as comfortable
speaking Arabic on Al-Jazeera as he is expounding on
American TV. His dazzling dexterity with Qur’anic
knowledge and thinkers from Aristophanes to Mark Twain
has made him a great popularizer of the faith.
Until the 1990s, American Muslim immigrants tended
to follow intellectuals from the Old World; they put their
hearts into political struggles back in Egypt or Kashmir or
Palestine. Yusuf is among a clutch of Muslim intellectuals
stressing American concerns. After September 11 he was
quick to condemn the terrorists, not as a humanist but as a
Muslim scholar. Under Muslim law, he pointed out, any
Muslim with a U.S. passport or green card had signed a
treaty, effectively, to obey American laws, making support
for acts of violence on American soil unIslamic.
It’s not just Muslims who are listening to him. During
his White House visit, Yusuf told Bush that the original name
for the Afghan war, Operation Infinite Justice, would offend
Muslims. Justice being one of Allah’s attributes, the title
suggested the Americans were like God. ”[Bush] was
shocked,” Yusuf recalled in a late-September sermon. The
name was later changed to Operation Enduring Freedom.
As a professor at the Zaytuna Institute, his San Francisco
Bay Area madrasa, he has stressed a classical Islam, one
stripped of the cultural baggage and prejudices that have
crept in over the centuries. He wants Westerners to reform
their relationship with the Islamic world, and Muslims to
reform their own society. “Hamza and other Muslims have
realized they need to address the theology of hate that exists
among Islam,” notes Georgetown professor John Esposito,
author of “Unholy War.” “They’ve had to fast-track their
own reformist thinking.”

It’s a crucial but
uncomfortable position. “I
get a lot of flak, because
people want to get into a
Manichaean world view,”
Yusuf admits. Some
Muslims consider Yusuf a
Western stooge. At the
same time, Western
reporters have dug up
strident speeches from his
past, including an
uncomfortably prescient
address on Sept. 9, in
which he said that America had “a great tribulation” coming
to it. He has since said he regretted the speech.
In the months following the World Trade Center
tragedy, he’s been critical of the Bush administration’s
Afghan war and Washington’s seeming inability to listen to
Muslim criticisms of its foreign policy. At the same time,
he’s been baldly critical of Muslims, particularly those who
peddle the politics of hate and corrupt Muslim regimes.
“The Muslim world is a mess,” he says. “Muslims know
this, and it’s soothing to say that it’s a mess because of the
West. That’s partly true, but the West doesn’t bear all the
responsibility.” That’s a sober and evenhanded perspective.
When an ex-surfer from the Bay Area can become a
Muslim authority, it’s a sign that the West is now part of the
Muslim world, too.

msnbc.com