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To: nspolar who wrote (17563)8/20/2002 8:25:52 AM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum  Respond to of 36161
 
OT: HI nspolar,
nice perspective on the Palestinians all round. I've read similar. They are quite different from the Nigerians I posted about.

The effect of religion in my opinion is less than that of the normal money, greed and power issues. I concur here also. The religion is just a great tool for folk in power, albeit a dangerous one that can bite back.

When they went back into their dark ages Islam had taken a more conservative stance.

On Lawrence of Arabia it's one of my favourite all time flicks.

Sherif: He is dead.
Lawrence: Yes. WHY?
Sherif: This is my well.
Lawrence: I have drunk from it.
Sherif: You are welcome.
Lawrence: He was my friend.
Sherif: That!
Lawrence: Yes. That.
Sherif: ...You are angry, English. He was nothing. The well is everything. The Hasimi may not drink at our wells. He knew that. Sa'lam.
Lawrence: Sherif Ali. So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people, greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are.
Sherif: Come, I will take you to Feisal.
Lawrence: I do not want your company, Sherif.
Sherif: Wadi Safra is another day from here. You will not find it. And not finding it, you will die.
Lawrence: I will find it, with this. (He holds up his compass which Sherif snags with his camel stick.)
Sherif: Good Army compass. How if I take it?
Lawrence: Then you would be a thief.
Sherif: Have you no fear, English?
Lawrence: My fear is my concern.
Sherif: Truly. God be with you, English.


and a quote from TE Lawrence : "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may
act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. This I did." Seven Pillars of Wisdom Suppressed Introductory Chapter


regards
Kastel



To: nspolar who wrote (17563)8/20/2002 9:42:24 AM
From: patim  Respond to of 36161
 
Great post. If this country would study this problem objectively, peace in the Middle East would be more likely.



To: nspolar who wrote (17563)8/20/2002 10:01:26 AM
From: terry richardson  Respond to of 36161
 
nspolar: Thank you for posting that link. I have been reading many similar sites for the past few months in an attempt to understand the situation both historically and currently and that is among the best I've come across. The site I referred to:

cactus48.com

is also mentioned and linked from your site and is interesting because it is written by a group called "Jews for Justice in the Middle East" and gives the Palestinian point of view and is obviously in sympathy with their plight. A great many Jews both in Israel and the US are against Sharon but have difficulty being heard because of the media bias and censorship. Gold Bugs should empathize with them we’ve got the same problem.(ng)

T.



To: nspolar who wrote (17563)8/20/2002 10:08:29 AM
From: el_gaviero  Respond to of 36161
 
Very good post, Nspolar. The more one looks into the Palestinaian\Israeli conflict, the more one has to have doubts about our one-sided support of Israel.



To: nspolar who wrote (17563)8/20/2002 10:51:16 AM
From: kingfisher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 36161
 
Thanks to all who have posted opinions and websites on the Middle East .It is fascinating.

Bush is stupid enough to go ahead and start WW 3.
By the way ..
Lots of cheap land still available in Canada for Americans who would seek a safe haven.