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To: marek_wojna who wrote (89035)	8/23/2002 3:43:08 AM
From: long-gone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116796

<<time to get some land, plant alfalfa and be protected on all fronts....>> If you are one of the lucky ones that can find enough water to grow it(or anything) in this Hellish drought.

To: marek_wojna who wrote (89035)	8/23/2002 9:06:48 AM
From: E. Charters	Respond to of 116796

You may have to drill for water. No guarantee it will always rain. Reminds me of the equations in our engineering textbooks about whether it paid to buy crop insurance and install irrigation systems to stave off disaster for the one in ten to one times in 15 it was vitally needed. You added up the losses from the disaster and they came to less than the crop insurance and PV of the systems. Now that looks OK on paper, but it assumes the farmer will invest in, and never pilfer from, a disaster fund of just about equal magnitude. Not likely. And the disaster is just that. I wipes him out and he may lose the land, or have to start all over again at the bank. And if you were the bank would you loan him money if he was so shortsighted? How much further ahead is the prudent and cautious farmer? I saw farmers with irrigation in Ontario with rich corn crops beside ones who had dry brown fields more than once in the past 20 years. If you stay in business, you have to stay ahead. And in general, there will be non disaster seasons that are a bit dry that you can supplementary water in order to increase revenue, if you are careful not to overwater. I still say it is better to put some away the better to avoid almost dying once, than to save the money every year and head toward certain disaster eventually. Spend it on a fund, or put the money in insurance and equipment. And if you really want to save money, try foregoing pesticide, herbecide and fertilizer and try rotating crops. And sell you foods in your own organic co-op. Has to beat agrictultural cartels that are designed to keep prices low to promote political objectives. EC<:-}

To: marek_wojna who wrote (89035)	8/23/2002 10:39:49 AM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116796

Algal mats in sea-swamps in Borneo (Maylasia?) are known to store gold. Some run up to one tenth of an ounce per ton, which they are believed to extract from sea water. No one has ever found a process that will economically extract the gold from this particular plant matter. I don't know if they have tackled a co-generation concept, or if the plant matter loses gold in drying. Birch trees on the Brown-McDade claims west of Timmins, Ontario (a province in Canada) were found to run 1/10 of an ounce per ton in gold during routine bio-geochemical sampling. Naturally circulating "humic" acids are thought to be the means of concentration of gold values that report to sulphidic hydrocarbon indurated limestones near the Alberta tar sands. The controversial gold deposits which some think were apocryphal in the Alberta case, are actually reported worldwide in other tar sands deposits. The affinity of metals for hydrocarbons in an liquid mixture or as precipitative solids, is the principle in the usage of methyl isobutyl ketone in atomic-absorption acid-solvent gold assaying, carbon-in-pulp recovery in adsorption of gold from cyanide solutions, and resin-bead water purification. Carbon is also used to precipitate or deoxidize metal in furnace melts to create separation of the desirable metal in the pour. Gold will report to charcoal, resins, gasoline, coal, limestone and other carbon sources from cyanide, carbonic, nitrate, bromide, or chloride solution. The new carbon aero-gels may be able to electrically adsorb gold on their vast surface areas from very weak solutions. EC<:-}