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To: Joe NYC who wrote (169833)	8/23/2002 11:50:24 AM
From: Windsock	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Guess you missed this part: "The sample we received was unstable at any setting higher than 144FSB. This translates to 2.30GHz which is certainly a good overclock, it just seems rather poor in comparison to Intel's friendly CPU's 3dvelocity.com

To: Joe NYC who wrote (169833)	8/23/2002 12:22:32 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

I used to miss this manure-like posts that I see now when since I removed all my "ignores". What made you decide to turn off the ignores?

To: Joe NYC who wrote (169833)	8/23/2002 12:32:38 PM
From: NITT	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

re: "The chip is a "loaner" meaning it has to be returned to AMD. Not because of a problem, but probably because AMD does not want sample chips floating around (so that they don't end up in systems sold to users like this one:" My guess is Intel sends out hundreds, possibly thousands of "engineering samples" to OEMs for a given new product so that OEMs can test systems and allow some end customers to test systems prior to product announcements. I do not have any inside info on the terms and conditions tied to the ES parts in question, but if Intel is approving the sale of systems to the end customer, then they will stand behind them. Even a part with the ES stamp could be of full production specification, quality and reliability. If it is not, OEMs and in some cases end users would need to sign a waiver acknowledging what the parts are in order to receive product. This is a far cry from AMD who tea bags a few samples and announces a new product only to say they will be in "volume production" the weeks or months to come. Yes Intel did have a screw up with the 1.13GHz PIII, but I'll bet that OEMs had their hands on way more chips for testing than they do for any AMD announcement. It appears that AMD is desperate and has nothing to loose by introing unavailable products in order to try to slow the erosion in market share and get one more headline. AMD needs to keep the OEMs and motherboard suppliers motivated to continue the pipeline that supports Athalon. Nitt