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To: tejek who wrote (150233)	8/23/2002 12:46:11 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1580613

You think this is providing solid info in order to provoke a "reasonable conversation" with me and to persuade me that this war is necessary and inevitable........well, think again. It is a hell of a lot more than YOU provided for YOUR opinion. The common knowledge about what is going in Iraq today is limited, which is precisely the reason we have to get rid of Saddam. And if you and Bush believe this info gives him the authority to move against Iraq; he and you should not be surprised when the world en masse objects. I think it is fair to assume that Bush has more knowledge on this subject than you or I, or you AND I. This is typical of you. Put forth an unsupported opinion as gospel, while people present you with well-documented facts that you discount. It is why these conversations with you get so ridiculous -- you say stuff with absolutely zero support, then criticize the reasonably good support other people provide. It really is pointless; if you could muster just a little intellectual honesty, I think you would make a better case for your positions. But you seem to think you can just throw stuff out with no logic, reason, or support and people will buy it.

To: tejek who wrote (150233)	8/23/2002 7:17:58 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1580613

More on the subject of Why We Have to Kill Saddam: Notra Trulock Aug. 23, 2002 President George W. Bush has announced a new approach to defeat those who try to acquire the ultimate weapons of mass destruction (WMD) – chemical, biological and nuclear warheads. No longer will the United States wait for arms control schemes to fail, wait for efforts to "buy" compliance with international obligations to fail, wait until rogue states or terrorist organizations complete their preparations to use these weapons against us or our allies, or wait until a thug like Saddam Hussein has his "finger on the trigger." Bush is right to conclude that the WMD threat is without precedent, and old policies, like deterrence and containment, are irrelevant when confronted with the likes of Saddam or Osama bin Laden. We must be willing and ready to use military force to "pre-empt" states intent on employing these weapons or sharing them with the likes of al-Qaeda. Not surprisingly, this more muscular policy has made some "opinion makers" queasy. The New York Times' opposition to war on Iraq becomes more pronounced daily. So its editors must have been delighted to hear "leading Republicans" like former National Security Advisor Brent Scrowcroft and Senators Chuck Hagel and Richard Lugar urging caution and prudence on the White House. The Democrats have wisely gone silent, content to let these establishment Republicans make their case for inaction on Iraq. "Our European allies aren't on board." "War on Iraq would destabilize the Middle East." "Our Arab friends wouldn't understand taking on Iraq before we have settled the Israeli-Palestinian conflict." And on and on. The most fatuous reason: "We should give United Nations' inspections just one more chance." Let Saddam know that this is his last opportunity to comply with U.N. resolutions to destroy, remove or render harmless Iraq's WMD – really. These foreign policy "experts" must have been living in a cave for the past 10 years. Why would Saddam cease his shell games to hide his WMD capabilities, when his policies of obstructionism have worked so well, Thanks in no small measure to our "allies," the Russians and the French. The history of those inspections should give "the experts" pause. Before the Gulf War, we didn’t know that Iraq was only about six months away from producing a crude nuclear device, according to Richard Butler, the last chief of the U.N. inspection team. We didn’t learn until 1995 that Iraq had produced VX, one of the deadliest chemical warfare agents, or until 1998 that it had "weaponized" VX. We didn’t know that Iraq had filled warheads with anthrax. We still don't know what happened to several tons of SCUD missile propellant and, beyond its admissions about anthrax, Iraq's biological weapons program is a "black hole." The CIA believes that Saddam has used the four years since inspectors were kicked out of Iraq to reconstitute his chemical weapons program. Contrary to his U.N. obligations, Saddam has continued to develop the means of delivery for these weapons, including converting a jet trainer, the L-29, to an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). We didn’t know that Saddam had 1,800 scientists and engineers working in his nuclear program. Now we don't know whether he has managed to procure nuclear materials from Russia. Pleas to give inspections just one more chance seem almost feckless. newsmax.com