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To: JohnM who wrote (39601)8/23/2002 1:25:30 PM
From: Rascal  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Red Alert for Bush - Only 41% of Americans Want to Re-elect Him

Since 9-11, the Republican-controlled media has been obsessed with Bush's "approval" ratings. But the statistic that political professionals watch is the "re-elect" number - the percentage of voters who say they would vote to re-elect a politician if the election was held today. Bush's "re-elect" is down to only 41% - which would be considered the certain electoral doom for any other politician. So next time you hear a pollster or pundit say Bush's approval ratings are untouchable, ask them why they are ignoring Bush's dismal 41% "re-elect" number. And remember, Bush I went from 90% approval ratings in January 1991 (during the First Gulf War) - but LOST his re-election with a super-dismal 37%.

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To: JohnM who wrote (39601)8/23/2002 1:49:31 PM
From: Ilaine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
You felt that in the 89 Bush Rangers stuff, his role as a president's son was not relevant to his later $12 million.

Not at all. I posted a piece which came right out and said that Bush was selected as managing general partner for the limited partnership that bought the Rangers precisely because of who he was, and the connections he had. I see no problem with that.

What Krugman wrote was an egregious falsehood, that when the Rangers were sold, Bush's $12 million was a political gift to a sitting governor. His exact words: 'a $12 million gift' to 'a sitting governor.'

You have diligently refused to apply yourself to understand the difference. I have no idea why. You're intelligent enough to understand the difference between political clout and graft.

I thought that was why he was selected and was directly comparable to the Whitewater stuff.

Maybe you do think this, but various fact-finding bodies disagree with you. Bush was investigated by the SEC in 1994, under the Clinton administration, and exonerated of all wrongdoing in connection with his sale of his Harken oil stock, which he used to pay off the investors in the Rangers deal.

The Clintons were cleared in the Whitewater investigation, but numerous others were not.

If you object to one, you should object to both. I, frankly, don't like either, but it is the way of the rather tight interface, in some places, between politics and business.

Politicians influence business, and vice versa? Rich men have influence that poor men lack? Stop the presses!

Neither should be worth some 60 or 70 million dollars of tax payer money to investigate them.

This must refer to Whitewater. I have no idea what bothers you about investigating wrong-doing, especially when the investigations led to numerous convictions, including that of an assistant US Attorney General (Hubbell) and a sitting Arkansas state governor (Tucker). Personally, I loathe political corruption. It is an egregious breach of the public trust that must be stamped out.



To: JohnM who wrote (39601)8/23/2002 6:00:23 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 281500
 
Just read a good, short, History of anti-semitism by Umberto Eco. Thought it was worth posting here.

The poisonous Protocols

Umberto Eco on the distinction between intellectual anti-semitism and its popular counterpart

Saturday August 17, 2002
The Guardian

Amid the controversy following the desecration of Jewish graves in Rome last month, some words of Pier Ferdinando Casini, speaker of Italy's chamber of deputies, have been remembered. He claimed that anti-semitism is less rooted in Italy than in other countries. It is my belief that a distinction must be made between intellectual anti-semitism and popular anti-semitism. Popular anti-semitism is as old as the Jewish diaspora. It arose from an instinctive reaction of the common people to different people, who spoke an unknown language evocative of magic rites. A people steeped in the culture of the book, the Jews learned to read and write. They practised medicine, engaged in trade, and lent money - hence the resentment towards them as "intellectuals". Such were the roots of peasant anti-semitism in Russia.

Certainly the Christian condemnation of the "people who killed God" carried weight, but ultimately there was a (private) relationship of shared interest and mutual respect between Christian and Jewish intellectuals throughout the middle ages, not to mention the renaissance. The desperate hordes who followed the crusades and laid waste the ghettoes by fire and the sword were not inspired by doctrine, but controlled by the urge to pillage.

Intellectual anti-semitism as we now know it originates from the modern world. In 1797, Abbé Barruel wrote his Mémoires pour servir à l'histoire du jacobinisme to show that the French revolution was a plot of the Knights Templar and the freemasons. Later it was an Italian, Captain Simonini, who suggested to him that it was above all the perfidious Jews who were acting behind the scenes. It was only after this point that the argument surrounding international Jewry began, and the Jesuits seized on it as an argument against the sects of the Carbonari. The controversy raged throughout Europe, but found its most fertile soil in France, where Jewish finance was now identified as an enemy to defeat. The controversy was certainly fuelled by Catholic legitimism, but it was in secular, political circles that the ill-famed Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion slowly took shape. These were then published in Russian Tsarist circles and were finally used by Hitler.

The Protocols were a rehash of serialised fictional material, and prove their own unreliability, since it is hardly credible that "the baddies" would reveal their fell purposes so blatantly. The Elders even declare that they intend to encourage sport and visual communication to dupe the working class (a passage more reminiscent of Berlusconism than Judaism). Nevertheless, though rough and ready, this was intellectual anti-semitism. Conceding to Deputy Casini, it can be said that Italian popular anti-semitism has been less strong than in other European countries (for various social, historical and even demographic reasons). Indeed, ordinary folk ended up opposing racial persecutions by helping the Jews. But in Italy, Jesuitical anti-semitic doctrine flourished (the novels of Father Bresciani are but one example). This merged with the bourgeois anti-semitism which ultimately produced the notorious academics and writers who contributed to the infamous journal La difesa della razza [The Defence of the Race] and the version of the Protocols published by Julius Evola in 1937.

Evola wrote that the Protocols had "the value of a spiritual tonic". He added: "Above all, in these decisive hours of western history, they cannot be ignored or dismissed without seriously undermining the front of those fighting in the name of the spirit, of tradition, of true civilisation."

International Jewry, he claimed, lay behind the main sources of the perversion of western civilisation: "Liberalism, individualism, egalitarianism, free thinking, anti-religious enlightenment and their various appendages which lead to the revolt of the masses and to communism itself." For the Jew it was a duty "to destroy every surviving trace of true order and superior civilisation... One Jew is Freud, whose theory is understood to reduce the interior life to instincts and unconscious forces. Another is Einstein, who has brought 'relativism' into vogue... Schoenberg and Mahler, leading exponents of the music of decadence. Tzara is a Jew, the creator of dadaism, the extreme limit of degradation of so-called avant garde art... It is the race, it is an instinct at work here... Now is the time when the forces are rising up everywhere, because now the face of the destiny to which Europe was about to succumb is revealed... May the hour of 'conflict' find those forces gathered in a single, cast-iron bloc, unbreakable and irresistible."

Italy made a leading contribution to intellectual anti-semitism. But it is only today that a number of phenomena hint at a new popular anti-semitism, as if the ancient sources of anti-semitism have found fertile soil in other, crude forms of racism of the neo-Celtic kind. If proof were needed, it is that the doctrinal sources are always the same: it is enough to visit certain racist websites, or to follow anti-Zionist propaganda in the Arab countries, to see that anti-semites have still found nothing better to do than to recycle, yet again, those ludicrous Protocols.

© Umberto Eco