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To: stockman_scott who wrote (39626)8/23/2002 8:02:29 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Respond to of 281500
 
Stockman, the USA isn't jumping into a war, it has been in one for a few years and it arrived in the USA in a big way a year ago: <President Carter's national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, warned that we could be viewed around the world as "a global gangster" if we jump precipitously into war.>

The USA is in a war of global proportions with the product of hateful Moslem Madrassas being the enemy. Those Madrassas are funded by oil money. It's a small world.

It's hardly reasonable to say the USA is a global gangster when Americans are being blown up in Hebrew University at the behest of Saddam Hussein, Uday and co, and have been blown out of the sky by Ghaddafi over Lockerbie, have had the Cole blown up in Aden, have been murdered in thousands in the Twin Towers and so on and on and on.

Sure, the USA can be a hypocritical arrogant bully at times [New Zealand has experienced that], but that doesn't justify bulk civilian murder in the Twin Towers. Plenty of other countries are arrogant bullies. That disgusting, fortunately dead, Mitterand for example. Jiang Zemin is a current bully - threatening death to Taiwanese if they don't fall under his yoke. But I wouldn't favour bombs in the Champs Elysee or in downtown Beijing.

Neither would an attack against Saddam and Uday and co be precipitous - it's been a long, long time in the making.

Mqurice

PS: Yes, Ghadaffi would say the Lockerbie attack was in revenge for the USA/British attack which missed him but allegedly killed an adopted daughter, but he should recall that the Libyans in his embassy murdered Yvonne Fletcher. Maybe he would claim that was in revenge for some more distant past events, perhaps going back to NZ troops in Tripoli in WWII and maybe beyond.



To: stockman_scott who wrote (39626)8/23/2002 8:28:21 PM
From: Bilow  Respond to of 281500
 
Hi stockman_scott; Re "President Kennedy's approval ratings, for instance, actually rose after the humiliating failure of the CIA-supported invasion at Cuba's Bay of Pigs in 1961."

Sort of makes me think of Saddam Hussein's popularity despite the losing / stalemated conflicts with Kuwait and Iran.

Ah, the universality of human behavior.

-- Carl