To: Joe NYC who wrote (170025 ) 8/25/2002 8:36:23 PM From: wanna_bmw Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894 Joe, Re: "AMD was not "caught" doing anything, other than checking on potential fraud.... your game with words is very peculiar." You are the one playing a "game with words", Joe. You say that AMD is "investigating" and "checking on potential fraud". In reality, AMD took their "findings" to the journalist Tom Pabst back in April, in hopes that he would write a sensationalized story, and help AMD sling mud at their competitor. It was this *objective* journalist that turned down AMD's attempt to discredit Bapco and Intel, since his "findings" didn't agree with AMD's. And, in fact, it was the same journalist that convinced AMD to sit on the issue back in April, instead of making the mistake of discrediting an organization like Bapco. Of course, AMD's competitive stance vs Intel has continued to wane, and since April, AMD has lost hundreds of millions of dollars due to Intel's stronger product line, stronger manufacturing, stronger marketing, stronger OEM relations, and stronger name brand. Given their desperate and precarious situation, AMD has once again decided to sling mud , but this time, they have taken their case to the AMD fanatic Van Smith, who has proven many times in the past that he is not afraid to lie and cheat in order to bash Intel. Therefore, I find it exceedingly humorous that you are still idolizing AMD as the "investigator" and condemning Intel as the "perpetrator", when this is nothing more than a catfight between two businesses, one of which has nothing to lose and everything to gain by being dirty and sneaky about the way that they compete. And that wouldn't be Intel, who has little to gain, and everything to lose from taking on the same sneaky and dirty tactics that AMD is now becoming well known for. wbmw