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To: maceng2 who wrote (39927)8/26/2002 3:42:40 AM
From: Nadine Carroll  Respond to of 281500
 
The new Israeli Chief of Staff assesses the situation:

Ya'alon: PA doesn't recognize our right to exist
By HAIM SHAPIRO AND THE JERUSALEM POST STAFF

"The current Palestinian leadership does not recognize the State of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state, and is trying to realize its doctrine of stages," Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Moshe Ya'alon told an assembly of the country's rabbis in Jerusalem Sunday.

Ya'alon said the Palestinian leaders had initiated the current conflict in order to avoid giving an answer to Israel and the US in response to the peace proposals drawn up by both states. He added that a large part of the Palestinian population now understands that their leaders are taking them into a dead end situation.

Although Ya'alon asked journalists to leave the room where he was speaking, Yediot Aharanot's Web site Y-net obtained a recording of his speech to the rabbis, gathered for the Chief Rabbinate's annual pre-Rosh Hashana meeting.

Ya'alon said the Palestinians believe "that through terror and similar processes they will succeed in establishing a state, first in Judea, Samaria, and the Gaza Strip, and afterwards in the other parts of the land of Israel...

"If this conflict goes on with the feeling on the Palestinian side that terrorism is winning and terrorism leads to achievements, we will find ourselves on a slippery slope regarding our ability to deter the Palestinians from using terrorism anywhere there is no agreement, regarding other groups that have used terror in the past and are currently reconsidering, and groups even those that signed agreements with us but that now say: 'Just a minute: If there's something that can be gained here via terrorism, let's join in.'

"This is why I say as a military man that we must win this conflict in such a way that the Palestinian side will have burned into its consciousness that terrorism and violence have no chance of leading to any achievement which translates into Israeli surrender."


Ya'alon said the Palestinian side "is resisting carrying out its commitment to stop terrorism and violence. I say that this initiated process reflects the Palestinian Authority's lack of recognition of the State of Israel to exist as a Jewish state. In an attempt to maintain terrorism as a tool with which to pressure the State of Israel, this leadership thought that the State of Israel would break much sooner.

It did not believe that the State of Israel could absorb [611] dead, could absorb the kind of economic damage we have been absorbing over the past two years, and they thought that there would be demonstrations much sooner which would direct the political echelon to reach decisions, whether it be a unilateral withdrawal or anything else that is essentially surrendering to terror."

Underscoring this point, Ya'alon said that "All the Arab circles chose what they saw as Israel's weak spot: Israeli society's inability to stand up [to terrorism], and it was no accident that they chose terrorism, which strikes at civilians, and the use of missiles which overcome all of Israel's abilities [to defend itself] and strike at the home front.

"They do this out of the belief that striking at Israeli society and its civilians will set off internal processes similar to the withdrawal from Lebanon. A society which projects an inability to stand up to losses puts pressure from the lower echelons to the higher ones, and this leads to demonstrations, etc., which ultimately leads to the political echelon making decisions based on the Arab side's interests," he said.

"The Arabs look at the past 20 years, from our first pullbacks in Lebanon made while counting those killed and the Jibril agreement, and I say these two things brought about the 1987 intifada. The Palestinians' understanding that Israel cannot stand up to losses brought the intifada upon us, and when we look upon what has happened since the intifada the current conflict is not an intifada and the processes that have taken place since, their belief that the State of Israel is not prepared to fight any more, to sacrifice for its defense, was strengthened, and therefore they believed it was right to press it at its weakest link its steadfastness."

There is no way of coming to an understanding with the present Palestinian leadership, Ya'alon said, adding that to show any weakness in this regard would put Israel into a tailspin.

Speaking about other threats, Ya'alon said that "Iraq, if it could, would have already achieved nuclear capability," to threaten Israel and "if necessary use it against Israel, because it sees the goal of destroying the State of Israel, a Jewish state, as a supreme one."

He said that Israel is much better prepared to meet any Iraqi threat Monday than during the Gulf War, both in terms of striking at Iraq and in dealing with any missile threat. "The Iraqi threat does not keep me up at night," Ya'alon said, adding that it "does not pose an existential threat to the state of Israel."

Regarding Syria, Ya'alon said Syrian leader Bashir Assad is currently "on the fence, but with both his arms and legs leaning towards armed conflict." He added that Assad had been encouraged by Hizbullah's success and the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon, but "Assad also understands and recognizes the IDF's clear superiority over Syria, which is why he is wary of putting his army to the test."

Iran, after the Khomeini revolution of 1979, is a state which openly advocates the destruction of Israel, Ya'alon said. "The Iranians are also acting to support Palestinian terrorist organizations wherever they are Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front, and even the PA itself." He said the episode of the Karine A weapons smuggling ship reflected Iran's policy of supporting any body that could speed Israel's demise.

Ya'alon, who spoke for almost an hour, told the rabbis they have a role to influence a large sector of Israeli society.

In response, Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi Yisrael Lau told the rabbis that he was particularly concerned about news reports of looting by soldiers in Operation Defensive Shield. Lau said that such acts, like violence within the family and violence on the road, should not typify Israeli society.

The chief rabbi said that it is not just a question of Israel's existence, but of Israel's right to exist. There has been a critical erosion of the nature of Israel as a Jewish state, he said, adding that by the same token he is concerned by the influx of many immigrants who are not only not Jewish, but have no connection to Judaism.

The Foreign Ministry declined to comment on Ya'alon's diplomatic assessments. A ministry source said the defense minister is responsible for Ya'alon and would need to answer for him.

The Defense Ministry said Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer did not plan to comment. The Prime Minister's Office also said it has no comment on the speech.

jpost.com



To: maceng2 who wrote (39927)8/26/2002 3:46:18 AM
From: maceng2  Respond to of 281500
 
An older story (October of last year)..

news.bbc.co.uk



To: maceng2 who wrote (39927)8/26/2002 10:25:30 AM
From: Ilaine  Respond to of 281500
 
Pankisi Gorge (in Georgia south of Chechnya):
civil.ge

Kodori Gorge (border between Georgia and region controlled by Abkhazian rebels):
woz.ch

Ethnolinguistic groups in Caucasus region:
lib.utexas.edu



To: maceng2 who wrote (39927)8/27/2002 5:06:37 AM
From: maceng2  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Troops Find No Rebels in Pankisi

(Oh! what a surprise!! What's the bet that the Kodori Gorge will report the presence of rebels in the near future? I doubt if they will conveniently move to Chechnya to be captured by the Russians .. pb)

Georgian troops patrolled the lawless Pankisi Gorge on Monday in search of militants from Chechnya but came up empty-handed, while Georgian lawmakers called for a curtailment of Moscow's presence in the former Soviet republic.

President Eduard Shevardnadze said that before launching the sweep, his government warned militants they should leave.

"We had just one proposal for them: Leave the Pankisi Gorge as soon as possible, because we don't want bloodshed there," Shevardnadze said at a briefing.

Later, his office said he would visit the region Tuesday to meet with residents and the Interior Ministry troops sent in Sunday to search for militants.

There was no element of surprise in an operation that was announced more than a week ago, giving Chechen separatists and local criminals alike plenty of time to abandon the area.

"If some of them have left the gorge and headed elsewhere, I wouldn't be looking for their address," Shevardnadze said of the militants. "They themselves know where to go. Of course, it would be difficult for them to cross into Russia. Maybe they have other addresses. We haven't discussed it with them."

The gorge in northeastern Georgia has long been a haven for criminals involved in kidnapping, extortion and violence. The operation there, a major test for Georgia's ragged and demoralized forces, will be closely watched by both the United States, which fears the gorge could be a refuge for Islamic militants, and Russia, which has long been pressing Georgia to clear the area of rebels from neighboring Chechnya.

There were no immediate reports of clashes in Pankisi on Monday as government soldiers set up as many as 10 checkpoints. Georgia's independent Rustavi-2 television last week carried footage of an abandoned camp 30 kilometers north of Tbilisi that allegedly was used by Chechen warlord Ruslan Gelayev and up to 500 of his fighters. The report said the rebels had left the camp and headed north, toward the border with Chechnya.

Russian officials urged Tbilisi to detain the militants and hand them over to Moscow or, as Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov proposed Monday, kill them and produce their bodies for identification. They strongly warned Georgia against simply pushing rebels back into Chechnya.

"We don't want the bands of killers and terrorists to bring death to our territory," Ivanov said Monday, Itar-Tass reported.

Ivanov denied that Russia had conducted a cross-border bombing raid last week and suggested Georgia itself may have carried out Friday's aerial attack near the Pankisi Gorge, which Georgian officials said killed at least one civilian and wounded at least five others.

"I do not exclude the possibility that the Georgian armed forces undertook operations," Interfax quoted Ivanov as saying. "But because they do not want to fight with terrorists and rebels, who can at any moment turn their weapons toward Tbilisi, they conveniently say each time that someone is bombing them," Ivanov told journalists in the eastern Siberian region of Buryatia.

Shevardnadze scoffed at Moscow's complaints, saying it was the Russian military that pushed the rebels into Georgia when it launched its second invasion in Chechnya in the fall of 1999. He accused Russia of trying to derail the anti-terror operation in Pankisi by carrying out the air raid.

Georgian tanks and troops conducting military exercises near the village of Pichkhovani near the Pankisi Gorge on Sunday.

The reported air incursion sparked an unusually sharp rebuke from the United States on Saturday, with White House spokesman Ari Fleischer saying the Russian attack had been verified by monitors from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.

Asked by Interfax to reply directly to Fleischer's charge, Ivanov said: "My responsibilities do not cover commenting on the position of the U.S. State Department. For that we have the Foreign Ministry."

Earlier this year, Washington, concerned that some of the fighters in the gorge could have links to al-Qaida, sent U.S. military instructors to Georgia to train troops for anti-terror operations.

Georgian lawmakers gathered for an emergency session Monday to consider possible responses to the bombing.

Late in the evening, they passed a resolution calling on the government to unilaterally set a deadline for the shutdown of Russian military bases in Georgia and to put an immediate end to the Russian peacekeeping mandate in breakaway Abkhazia, Interfax reported. Lawmakers also asked Shevardnadze to begin Georgia's withdrawal from the Commonwealth of Independent States, a Russian-dominated alliance of former Soviet republics.

Shevardnadze had said earlier in the day that he opposed such action, saying that Georgia and Russia must work together to normalize relations.

The lawmakers also called on Georgia's Foreign Ministry to present Moscow with a bill for damages incurred during Friday's bombing, but stopped short of passing a proposal to break diplomatic relations with Russia, Interfax said.

Since the Soviet collapse, Shevardnadze's pro-Western course has vexed Moscow, which would like to keep the strategically placed Caucasus nation in its sway.

Russia, which has a pipeline for Caspian Sea oil from Azerbaijan, pushed for a bigger pipeline to follow the same path to its Black Sea port of Novorossiisk. However, it lost the bid as the United States strongly backed another route via Georgia and Turkey.

Shevardnadze said that the alleged Russian air raids were also aimed at disrupting big international projects involving Georgia.

themoscowtimes.com