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To: Bill who wrote (19913)	8/26/2002 12:03:47 PM
From: Original Mad Dog	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21057

OK, that's a powerful argument for mandatory life in prison without parole as a minimum sentence for murder. The deterrent effect you champion is harder to prove, in either direction. My own views evolved away from supporting the DP to supporting life in prison without parole as the sentence of choice, due largely to the fact that the system has enough flaws and misplaced motivations that frying an innocent person has become too likely (and may have happened already, though it hasn't been proven to have happened).

To: Bill who wrote (19913)	8/26/2002 1:10:53 PM
From: Neenny	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

After you take the lives of the murderers, wouldn't the total number of lives saved be 11?? When I do the math, that is the number of lives "saved" that I come up with. 821-810=11

To: Bill who wrote (19913)	8/26/2002 2:16:03 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

Were those murderers sentenced to life imprisonment, or to a lesser sentence? Were any of them sentenced to life imprisonment without parole? For years the anti-dp movement tried to get life imprisonment without parole passed as an option in NY State. The opposition to allowing such a sentence was the death penalty people. Murderers who might have been imprisoned without parole were therefore released into society, in some case, chance are, to kill again. Please post something asap that supports this calumny of those who oppose the death penalty, whom you seem to think, erroneously, btw, are all liberals. The liberal position has always been that it is better to let a killer back on the street to kill again than to allow the state the power to extinguish him.