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To: Jamey who wrote (89118)8/27/2002 7:33:10 AM
From: long-gone  Respond to of 116759
 
<<You take a man who loves nature and wants the world to be for your grandkids like it once was for you. Nothing liberal or hippocritical about that. You have another gripe but I don't know what it is.>>

If that man really loved nature he'd not only allow but quickly REQUIRE removal of dead diseased trees from our forests. This environmental movement has destroyed life & homes - it has done damage to homes standing OVER 100 years! Removal of diseased trees is EXACTLY the standard allowed for our generation & that of our parents & grandparents! Ill informed misdirected environmentalism such as yours which brings about the further destruction of our forests lives & homes & promotes erosion of the thin mountain top soil so dear to all who live here is wrong beyond words! This movement has fouled streams rivers, destroyed life & property both private & public.I live here, I well know fires this extreme, this hot, do nothing good for the land, in fact, they have been so extreme they have burned whole the very pine cones & below ground grass rhizomes which would have been allowed by smaller fires.

Yes, we of the West are angry, damn angry! We know the evil conducted under the guise of environmental protection. When you live here, you know!

On my brother's property in the mountains of southern N.M.(as here in Colorado) trees on private property which the government would not allow to be cut early in a season, they later required be removed as fire neared the properties later the same season! Now under Bush, at least a person may remove dead diseased trees on their own land!

Property rights, protection from fire & resulting erosion of life & historic structures are exactly the standards applied for the last many generations to deny those same protections to this and future generations is the absolute essence being a hypocrite! All who want to prove they are not hypocrites should take a few weeks & come to the mountain west & help us replant & write checks to help with the repair of homes damaged by fire. Insurance has never covered all problems & now insurance is being canceled high fire areas - some of these areas which haven't been "high fire risk areas" for 100 years prior!

Yes, I have a gripe! Yes, all who live here have gripes & should yell loud & long! We've seen our friends & families injured beyond repair & at times killed by your well meaning, ill informed, destructive ilk! The extreme - Thou shall never cut any tree - actions of the prior administration & environmental extremists, while reversed, have brought damage which has was in no way been repaired!

As I helped repair the roof on my brother's adobe home / chapel where were the environmental extremists who prevented cutting trees near the historic structure? Where were the Earth Liberation Front, Earth First, (some which had official consulting gigs under Clinton) & the rest who prevented removal of dead standing fuel on the slow pace required by a person of semi-disabled status when the government came requiring those same trees be removed quickly as fire licked at the door? Where will these same groups be to help prevent & cleanup the coming erosion of mud into our homes? Why did the Clinton administration spend moneys allocated for forest fire fighting, forest replanting, & erosion prevention to paying for programs which helped paid delinquent youth paint graffiti on underpasses?

Thank the dear Lord, there is a single good thing these misdirected actions have brought about. That very erosion that threatens & destroys homes & lives is releasing a few flakes of trapped gold for the panning by those who have lost so much & gold price is much higher. & now, land which the government experts wouldn't allowed be even dug for gold is now & more-so with the coming spring melt - being washed down for easy panning. Maybe that little of help will come soon enough, for we know those that brought about the problems will be nowhere near or willing to help.



To: Jamey who wrote (89118)8/29/2002 6:29:17 AM
From: long-gone  Respond to of 116759
 
CNS News
U.N.'s Earth Summit a 'Gathering to Attack Wealth'
Marc Morano, CNSNews.com
Thursday, Aug. 29, 2002
JOHANNESBURG, South Africa – An American free-market advocate calls the Earth summit under way in South Africa "a collection of advocates gathering to attack wealth."
Chris Horner, an analyst with Competitive Enterprise Institute, said it was obvious that after two days, delegates to the United Nations World Summit on Sustainable Development view wealth "as the root of evil behind environmental problems, when in reality, all evidence is to the contrary."

Horner told CNSNews.com the summit participants have referred to economic growth using terms such as "greed" and "rapacious," and those who seek wealth as having the "mind-set of cancer cells."

'Wealth Eradication'

Horner, who is attending the summit, sharply disagreed with a U.N.-sponsored forum suggesting that less wealth would mean less poverty. (The U.N. forum was titled "Wealth Eradication: Directly Tied to Poverty Reduction.")

According to Horner, the only solution to environmental woes is a wealthier planet. "Wealthier is healthier and cleaner," he said.

Population problems and resource limitations are a result of countries being unable to create enough wealth to support their residents, Horner said. "Population problems only come from poor countries that don't make anything but people," he added.

'Hypocritical Attack'

A report Tuesday in the London newspaper The Sun detailed how delegates to Earth summit are staying at posh hotels and feasting on gourmet foods while they hold meetings on eradicating poverty and famine. That report did not surprise Horner.

"It is a hypocritical attack on wealth because the U.N.'s own sustainability seems to be their number-one objective," he quipped.

Healing Africa

Reinhild Niebuhr, author of the book "Young Africa," decried the lack of economic opportunities for Africa's youth and called on the summit participants to increase development opportunities for them.

"A majority of people in Africa are under age 25, and they are not able to fulfill their potential, Niebuhr told CNSNews.com.

Niebuhr disagreed with the position of environmentalist Gar Smith of Earth Island Insitute, who told CNSNews.com earlier this week that electricity should not be introduced to African villages because it could harm the culture.

"Regardless of whether anyone thinks the introduction of electricity is negative or not, it is happening. People see electricity and want the benefit of electricity," Niebuhr said.

"You can respect culture and you can develop. You can don't have to stay in an environment which is making your life difficult."

'Bury the Summit'?

The summit negotiations have caused some environmental groups to lose their enthusiasm for the proceedings.

One event called "Don't Bury the Summit Yet!" was aimed at calming the anger of disgruntled environmentalists who are fed up with what they see as big business's hijacking of the summit.

The event's sponsors included World Wildlife Fund, Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth.

"The resources of Mother Earth are being sold off," stated Anuradha Mittal of the Indian group Food First.

Mittal was referring to summit compromises on agenda items ranging from pollution prevention to developing a sustainable fisheries industry.

The green groups also are upset that access to the Sandton Center, where the summit is being held, has been restricted to environmental non-governmental organizations (NGOs) due to space limitations.

Secretary General Nitlin Desai, the head of the U.N.'s Earth summit, reacted to the green groups' grumbling, telling South African Public Radio, "This conference will be different."

Good News on Tropical Forests

In marked contrast to the dire environmental picture painted by international green groups, one event at the summit brought hopeful news regarding tropical forests.

The International Tropical Timber Organization (ITTO), a timber industry advocacy group, held an event on the sidelines of the conference showing that the world's tropical forests are regenerating and that new technologies are lessening the impact of logging on the environment.

Manoel Sobral, the executive director of ITTO, told CNSNews.com that deforestation pressures on tropical forests were lessening because of the emerging "plantation forests" that grow timber in controlled, farm-like settings that allow for rapid regeneration, greater efficiency and lower costs.

"Forget about the natural tropical forest as a timber producer. They are not competitive," Sobral said.

He cited the Amazon rainforest as an example of how plantation forests are helping to relieve deforestation.

"In Brazil there are 360 million hectares of dense natural forest, but 70% of the industrial timber comes from the 5 million hectares of plantation forest," he told CNSNews.com.

Other actions at the summit Tuesday included calls for the U.S., Western Europe and Japan to eliminate their domestic farm subsidies to allow the developing world's agricultural economies to better compete.

Bush Urged to 'Fight Back'

Horner believes that President Bush should fight back at the anti-U.S. sentiment permeating the summit.

"Mr. Bush, it would seem, had best learn when to nip outrageous, mendacious rhetoric in the bud before he nurtures it by his silence," Horner said.

"Barring such leadership ... the U.S. faces a grim future in this community and among easily led peoples everywhere."
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