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To: KLP who wrote (40164)8/27/2002 12:44:50 AM
From: kumar  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Are you an American?

I pay US taxes. does that count ? I'm also aware of contingency lawyers.

The point I was trying to make is : dont assume u get a lawyer and a court trial.

cheers, kumar



To: KLP who wrote (40164)8/27/2002 12:36:23 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 281500
 
Robert J. Goldstein had enough explosives that had just one gone off it would have obliterated the townhouse complex where this terrorist lives. He should be detained like Ashcroft would detain any other terrorist. Here's what he planned to do with the arsenal he had:

Dr. Robert J. Goldstein, 37, was charged with possession of a non-registered destructive device and attempting to use an explosive to damage and destroy Islamic centers.
During a search of his Seminole home, deputies found a typed list of approximately 50 Islamic worship centers in the Tampa/St. Petersburg area and elsewhere in the state.

They also found detailed plans for destroying an Islamic education center with the use of bombs. The location of the Islamic education center targeted was not disclosed.

"It looks like this guy was going to target some Islamic mosques," Pinellas County Sheriff's Detective Cal Dennie said. "He had a list of what he wanted to target and the directions on how to get there."

Suspect’s Wife Notified Police

Residents were evacuated overnight from the townhome complex after Goldstein's wife, Kristi, had called police, saying her husband was acting unstable.

Kristi Goldstein said her husband had threatened to kill her, according to an affidavit by ATF Special Agent James Booth. After half an hour, police talked Robert Goldstein out of the home and he was placed in custody under the Baker Act, which allows involuntary commitment for analysis.

Detective Cal Dennie said today that police found a cache of up to 40 weapons, including .50-caliber machine guns and sniper rifles.

"You have to have a special license to get this stuff and he does," said Dennie, who said Goldstein had no criminal record.

House Full of Explosives, Manuals

But he also had more than 30 explosive devices, including hand grenades and a 5-gallon gasoline bomb with a timer and a wire attached, Dennie said.

"It's a number of destructive devices he had, pretty sophisticated stuff," he said. "He had an elaborate system, with video cameras and everything."

Deputies also found five or six rectangular packages with timers on them.

The Hillsborough County bomb squad from Tampa and federal bomb experts were called to the scene, and the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms officially took over the case.

"He had books on how to make bombs and he was using VCR tapes and walkie-talkies as a means to explode bombs," Dennie said.

Townhouse Complex Could Have Been Destroyed

The 25 to 30 residents who were displaced were allowed back after police opened a safe thought to have contained explosives. There were only more guns in the safe, said Special Agent Carlos Baixauli with the ATF Tampa field division.

"If one of those bombs were to have gone off, that townhouse would have been destroyed," Baixauli said. "If the others exploded, we would have lost most of that townhouse complex."

Baixauli said investigators pulled out of the home once they cleared it of the weapons.

Dennie said that Goldstein's wife cooperated with investigators; neither Dennie nor Baixauli would divulge what she said.

Goldstein had not missed work recently, Dennie said.

A message left at Goldstein's medical office was not immediately returned today. Goldstein's home does not have a listed phone number.

Dennie said he did not know if Goldstein is Jewish and other officials would not comment or did not return phone calls.


Copyright 2002 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.



To: KLP who wrote (40164)8/27/2002 12:43:09 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Robert J. Goldstein American terrorist, found with bombs, explosives plans to blow up mosques should be getting the Jose Padilla treatment. Jose, btw is an American citizen who is still being detained. Whooptidoodlydo for the FBI catching that guy. Sheesh Good they caught Goldstein before he murdered hundreds of people, but what's up with that case...it's vanished from the headlines....

Profile: Jose Padilla


Mr Padilla may have converted to Islam in prison

Jose Padilla (also known as Abdullah al-Muhajir), the 31-year-old American suspected of plotting a bomb attack on the United States, had a number of run-ins with the authorities.
His last came in Florida in 1991, when he was arrested after a road-rage shooting incident and spent a year in a Florida jail.

He completed his probation for aggravated assault and firing a weapon in August 1993.

Prior to that, Mr Padilla, a US citizen of Puerto Rican origin, had a number of gang-related encounters with police in Chicago where his family had moved from New York City when he was four years old.

Conversion

Neighbours quoted in the American press remember Brooklyn-born Jose as "a nice kid who always helped his mother".

His juvenile record is sealed, but US media reported that as a teenager he started to get into trouble when he joined the Latin Kings, a Chicago street gang.

He is also alleged to have been implicated in a gangland murder when he was 13 and was confined as a juvenile offender in Illinois in 1985.

The young Jose was brought up as a Roman Catholic, and some reports say he converted to Islam while in jail. Others say that he did so sometime in the mid 1990s, when he was living near Fort Lauderdale.

He is believed to have married an Egyptian woman.

Al-Qaeda link

He apparently dropped out of view after leaving the US in 1998. This, officials say, was when he first visited Afghanistan.

Norma Leon, the Padilla family's former landlady, told the Chicago Sun-Times that Mr al-Muhajir's mother was worried because her son had left the country and become a member of a cult.

"She was scared for him," Ms Leon told the newspaper.

In 2001, officials say, he made contact with Abu Zubaydah, a senior al-Qaeda commander who is in American custody and apparently co-operating with the FBI.

Al-Qaeda, the US authorities allege, asked Mr Padilla to go to Lahore in Pakistan, where he learnt how to make a dirty bomb.

In Karachi, Pakistan, he is alleged to have met several other al-Qaeda members.

Officials have not said whether these meetings took place before or after the 11 September attacks on the US.

On 8 May 2002, he was arrested after flying into Chicago's O'Hare airport from Pakistan, for what the US authorities say was a reconnaissance mission.

US to hold Jose Padilla indefinitely without charges
By Patrick Martin
15 June 2002
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The Bush administration confirmed June 13 that it had no plans either to charge, try or release Jose Padilla, the Brooklyn-born man who was seized by FBI agents last month at O’Hare Airport in Chicago as he returned to the United States from a lengthy stay overseas. Padilla, also known as Abdullah al Muhajir, is the first US citizen to be subjected to indefinite detention by the Bush administration under its unilateral assertion of wartime executive power.

Justice Department officials told a closed-door hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee that the president had the legal power to order an American citizen detained indefinitely as a preventive measure. Unable to cite any law or constitutional provision that sanctioned such an action, they declared it to be a power inherent in Bush’s role as commander in chief.

This declaration was made despite the fact that government sources admitted, on the day that Padilla’s transfer to military jurisdiction was announced, that the Bush administration did not have evidence sufficient to warrant indictment, let alone conviction, by a civilian court.

The Justice Department officials said that a final decision had been made not to put Padilla before a military tribunal either. In effect, the US government admitted that the reason Padilla was transferred June 9 to military custody was to avoid bringing him before a federal district court in New York City for a hearing scheduled June 11 on his detention as a “material witness.”

These statements amplified the declaration by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld the previous day, who said, referring to Padilla, “We are not interested in trying him at the moment or punishing him at the moment. We are interested in finding out what he knows.” Rumsfeld was not asked whether this meant Padilla would be subjected to illegal forms of interrogation, such as torture, to obtain such information.

The declaration that the executive branch alone has the power to decide when a person qualifies as a combatant concludes a week of brazenly anti-democratic government actions against alleged Al Qaeda prisoners. These are not actions with ominous implications for the future; they are, rather, current, ongoing and expanding violations of the constitutional protections and legal rights of arrested persons.

Besides throwing Padilla in a military brig, the administration has barred him from consulting or communicating in any way with his court-appointed lawyer, Donna Newman of New York City. Newman filed a habeas corpus motion with US District Judge Michael Mukasey, who gave prosecutors until June 21 to respond.

The Pentagon also refused to allow a lawyer to meet with Yaser Esam Hamdi, another US-born detainee who was captured fighting for the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. Hamdi is in military custody in the United States. On June 13 federal prosecutors went before the Fourth Circuit of Appeals, seeking to stay a federal court order requiring the military to grant Hamdi access to a federal public defender. Having barred the public defender from meeting with Hamdi, the government is now arguing that the attorney has no standing to sue on Hamdi’s behalf because he has not yet met with him.

In a third case, the Washington Post reported June 12 that an Arab immigrant arrested outside Chicago after the September 11 attacks had been held for more than eight months in federal custody without ever being brought before a magistrate or being assigned a lawyer. Nabil Almarabh, 35, a former cab driver in Boston, was picked up on September 18 and did not appear in court until May 22. He was finally arraigned in early June on immigration charges, for which the penalty is less than the time he has already spent in jail.

Justice Department lawyers argued that Almarabh had forfeited all his legal rights by returning to the United States illegally in violation of a previous deportation order. They also cited new powers to detain immigrants for prolonged periods of time under the USA Patriot Act, although the law was not adopted until several months after Almarabh’s arrest.

In her petition for a writ of habeas corpus, Jose Padilla’s lawyer asserts that the US government has violated such basic constitutional rights as the right to due process, to be free from unreasonable seizure, to obtain counsel, and to appear before a grand jury to hear the charges against him. “In short, the government’s latest maneuver, similar to the government’s detention here, is an attempt to detain Padilla indefinitely,” the petition says. The document declares the evidence against Padilla to be “weak at best” and points out that while the government has classified Padilla as an “enemy combatant,” there has been no congressional declaration of war.

Press accounts of the internal discussions concerning Padilla within the Bush administration raise many questions about the nature of the case. The New York Times reported June 13 that FBI officials had discussed whether to arrest him as he entered the United States, or follow him in order to track any accomplices or contacts, especially those who might have access to radioactive materials. They allegedly decided that it was too risky to try to track him, even though Padilla had been kept under surveillance for several months in Egypt and Switzerland.

Several officials confirmed that political considerations were uppermost in the decision to arrest Padilla. According to the Times: “officials said the arrest was important in demonstrating how the FBI and Central Intelligence Agency could undertake a successful prevention operation. They said that the Justice Department was eager to showcase the Padilla case after weeks in which the FBI had been battered in Congress for missing potential warning signals of the Sept. 11 attacks.”