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To: LindyBill who wrote (40183)	8/27/2002 8:46:09 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi LB - I posted that same excerpt last night cut-and-pasted from the White House website. Very glad to see the full text in the NY Times. It's in the Washpost as well. Reading it again sends chills up my spine. I look back with regret and something akin to nostalgia to those armchair arguments we used to have about what we should have done to stop Hitler. Faced with a similar choice now. How many millions will die if we don't act? How many millions will die if we do? There is a deep moral barrier to step over when initiating force. In my heart, I was hoping they'd just go ahead and do it and get it over with. Now I have to write my congressmen (they're all men) and tell them how I want them to vote, so the consequences will be on my head, too. I'm pretty sure they'd vote "yes" anyway, but it will make them feel better to know that this is what the voters want, too. Everybody, please write your members of Congress and tell them how you want them to vote. house.gov senate.gov

To: LindyBill who wrote (40183)	8/27/2002 12:10:41 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 281500

Thanks for posting those excerpts of Cheney's speech, Bill. It's well done; leagues better than Bush himself has done. The most troubling part of the speech, in my view, is the following: And I am confident that he will, as he has said he would, consult widely with the Congress, and with our friends and allies before deciding upon a course of action. He welcomes the debate that is now been joined here at home, and he has made it clear to his national security team that he wants us to participate fully in the hearings that will be held in Congress next month on this vitally important issue. CB also posted that portion last night. The procedure looks to be to consult then go. Nothing about consent either at the congressional level or at the UN level. This clearly runs against the kinds of constitutional interpretations the present Supreme Court offers, "strict constructionism." It also runs against all the political wisdom gathered since the Vietnam War--if you go to war be absolutely certain the citizenry is behind you sufficiently strongly to survive the inevitably bad news.