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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (40370)	8/27/2002 6:19:21 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

And being judgemental is what the cult of tolerance cannot abide. Did you ever take the Myers-Briggs test? If so, I bet you come out either ENTJ or INTJ. I come out either ENTP or INTP. Very strong P (perceiving), almost no J (judgment). I hate making judgments. Keep collecting information until the bitter end. Waffle for years over what color to paint the bathroom, or what kind of flooring to put in the foyer. Oh, and I am a splitter, not a lumper. I see people as individuals, not as types. I'm told that I am tolerant to a fault. That's just me. So I don't have any problem at all saying "Osama bin Laden is bad" because he not only thought bad thoughts, he acted on them, and caused others to act, while the Islamist cultists who have their enclave in Virginia are not bad because whatever their ideas, they haven't acted on them yet, and maybe never will. I wouldn't mind your explaining your point of view to my children because you are intelligent and think with precision, even though we don't alway agree. But most public school teachers are not as bright as you. Better they stick with platitudes. My kids will learn the harder ideas at home.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (40370)	8/27/2002 6:30:46 PM
From: greenspirit	Respond to of 281500

So either you must balance the bad from other cultures with the bad from your own, eg the WWII internment of the Japanese-Americans (however strained the comparison), or in a pinch, you must simply self-censor the bad from other cultures, eg by not describing the usual treatment of women in Arab societies. This is because information that would lead to being judgemental is bad. In this scheme of things, tolerance is the chief virtue; indeed, it is almost the only virtue. Since only a certain outcome is acceptable, censoring the inputs to produce this outcome becomes an easy way out. This is the very opposite of "informed judgement". Extremely well put Nadine!

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (40370)	8/27/2002 9:41:54 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Is the NEA really encouraging an "informed" opinion? Given that Al Qaeda has claimed credit for 9/11, avoiding blaming them now strikes me as a willfully "uniformed" judgement. Nadine, before you go too far down this road, let me urge you to read the link that was sent to me. It is a total critique of the Washington Times article, to the point of arguing the NEA website does exactly the opposite of the WTimes writer's assertions. Then read the NEA website to make certain for yourself. Too many of these stories got passed around about universities that turned out to be either not true or have only a small portion of the truth. Yet they were repeated in everyone's attacks on the university. It's homework time. And being judgemental is what the cult of tolerance cannot abide. I don't, of course, know who or what you have in mind but the various oncampus practioners of multiculturalism I know would not be in that camp. They know how to be judgmental, know in the 9-11 case that Al Qaeda is the source, know that certain practices, for instance, the physical abuse of other human beings is abhorrent, etc. They don't condemn something called Muslim "culture" or the Muslim "religion" because they can see stone cold killers justifying their acts from within almost any culture or religion. Sounds to me like you've had a very bad experience with someone or some thing you labeled multiculturalist.