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To: stockman_scott who wrote (40430)	8/28/2002 12:03:23 AM
From: slacker711	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

IMO, its time for W and Cheney to make their case for going to war...Let Congress debate it and decide if they want to authorize spending for a war to engineer a regime change in Iraq...This is serious business and I sure feel like the Administration HAS NOT made a strong case for going to war....Most of our allies in Europe and The Middle East tend to agree with me too. Well....I would like a debate within Congress as well. However, I think that Cheney's speech began to make the administration's case for war. You may disagree with their arguments but their position is a defensible one which is held by a variety of other people. This is one problem I have with the current debate. Yes Bush and Cheney are hard-liners....but this comes from a different worldview than you have (as well as Powell, Scowcroft etc.) Some of the articles seem to imply that the administration is actually looking for wars to start...whether due to electoral politics or because they are "oil-men" or because they want to help the economy. I find this rather hard to believe. It looked like Bush was going to be an isolationist President prior to 9/11. Obviously, events have forced him to change his rhetoric. One other comment....in this debate, I dont put much emphasis on what our allies believe. If the US (by this I mean the administration, Congress and the public) decide that they believe Hussein would be willing to use a nuclear weapon, then the allies opinions arent worth a damn. National security comes before world popularity. Slacker

To: stockman_scott who wrote (40430)	8/28/2002 10:10:38 AM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

No case for war! Cheney and Junior will not make a case for war for at a few months. Not until after elections. The speculation may appear painful, but it is much better for the administration to appear to be conflicted over the war question than culpable in the Halliburton accounting scandals and Harken tax fraud. Junior and his surrogate father figure will lose allies and bancrupt the nation before they allow the national conversation to turn to these examples of their leadership and honesty in civilian life. The fallout from these greedy criminal acts now affects the whole world. TP