To: tejek who wrote (150580 ) 8/28/2002 4:27:57 PM From: TimF Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1585831 Tim, if they are not based on this culture, from where do you derive your absolutes? Have you ever taken an ethics course or even an intro to Philosophy course? If it is absolutes, it isn't mine or yours or Saddam's it simply is. Opinions about the absolutes (rather then the absolutes themselves) are derived from logic and reason ideally but of course they are also influenced by things like culture, the opinions of friends and family, and emotions. Timutm.edu utm.edu Here is one person's attempt to produce something in between absolute morality and real moral relativism -scalzi.com "On the flip side, it's difficult to intellectually to support a position on morality whose finally reductive argument leaves room for the aforementioned genital mutilation or shoving little girls back into a burning building to die because their heads aren't properly covered, as so recently happened in Saudi Arabia. Neither argument satisfies because neither argument has anything to do with the real world. Here's an argument that I think works: Yes, morals are relative to culture and independent of any larger, overarching system of morality that all of humanity shares. But if one believes that morals are relative to cultures, it does not therefore follow that one must believe that all cultures are created equal, or that the moralities therein are equivalent. This is an argument that allows you to say: "Your morals are rooted in your culture -- but your culture truly sucks." However I think that if you can say that a culture sucks because of its moral ideas you are saying some moral ideas are better or more right then others. I think the writer wants to get the benefits of absolute morality without the label and I'm not sure it really works. Tim