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To: Windsock who wrote (170247)	8/28/2002 7:03:14 PM
From: Ali Chen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

"And what data do you use to draw that conclusion?" On previous benchmark release, see bapco.com , the Athlon XP @ 1677 MHz scored typically between P4-2000 and 2200 in identically equipped machine, which gave AMD certain rights to mark it as "model 2000+". In the new 2002 release under the question, bapco.com , the same processor A-XP@1677MHz, even with better peripherals and lower color depth, scores barely with 1700MHz P-4, and a desktop Athlon 1533MHz scores below mobile P4@1400MHz. "Screwdriver scrawls in the dirt, probably" Thank you for your polite and thoughtful response. - Ali

To: Windsock who wrote (170247)	8/28/2002 7:28:03 PM
From: wanna_bmw	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Windsock, Re: "Apparently, the effect is big enough to make a winner look like a loser. Is it enough for you?" >> And what data do you use to draw that conclusion? I've noticed that the same people who have a problem with SysMark 2002, also happen to assume that if SysMark 2002 actually followed a more disclosed usage model, that it would allow the Athlon to end up ahead. They conveniently ignore the multitudes of other benchmarks that confirm which areas the Pentium 4 can outperform the Athlon. It's because they define their concept of "real life" benchmarks as those where the Athlon is the "winner", even though as time goes on, the list of Athlon favored benchmarks is shrinking. This is because each new speed grade of Pentium 4 scales that much better than the Athlon, due to a higher bandwidth bus and memory architecture, and a more robust core designed with higher frequencies in mind. Software is changing as well, with many of the most popular titles already enhanced with SSE-2 and other Pentium 4 optimizations. Depending on where he looks, Ali may yet find data to show how he considers the Athlon to be a "winner", but it's pretty obvious that he would have to be rather selective about it. wbmw