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To: yard_man who wrote (5344)	8/28/2002 11:08:50 PM
From: Mark Adams	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Tip, You raise very valid points about H as an energy storage mechanism. Perhaps it is a good storage means for intermittent energy sources such as wind and solar. Surely as efficient if not more so than pumped hydro storage, as used in CA today? There are vast tracts of 'worthless' land bathed in solar radiation daily. Pipelines could carry the resulting H to point source applications, perhaps with less energy loss than electrical transmission? I don't know, I haven't worked the numbers. And there recently was completed a solar film production facility, near San Diego I believe. Do a google search on 'self assembling solar' and see what you turn up. I think we may be on the cusp of larger scale solar conversion becoming more economic, but then what about nighttime? Hydrogen anyone? FWIW

To: yard_man who wrote (5344)	8/29/2002 9:44:31 AM
From: Jim Willie CB	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

how much energy does it take to get gasoline in your tank? exploration in the plains and deserts gaggling about in securing permits for land rights wasting time with politicians and corporate owners for graft waste the methane excess in a big constant fireball get the heavy equipment into the remote areas drill empty holes drill good productive holes transport the many personnel to remote locations build housing facilities to support the critical people transport the crude oil to the port protect the transportation from marauders fill the supertankers at the terminals deal with spills in pristine areas (e.g. Exxon Valdez) cross the friggin ocean with the crude oil empty the tankers at the destination port fill the huge port oil silos that dot our beautiful landscape transport the crude oil to refineries nay, build the complex array of refineries first build the many supporting environmental purification systems deal with the health costs associated with envmtal health hazards extract and construct complex octane molecules thru coke cracking transport the gasoline to the gas stations deal with the leakage in the older stations not to mention the $50 Billion annually to defend militarily the entire MidEast region !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are you kidding me???????????????????????????????????? before you speak of efficiency, compare systems instead an oceanside series of solar electrolysis plants could produce vast amounts of hydrogen gas from Tijuana to Portland Oregon the entire Mexican coast could participate and develop an export industry very very feasible of course, distribution is the main issue just another obstacle, easily overcome with the right leadership, incentive, and mindset / jim