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To: TGPTNDR who wrote (150634)	8/29/2002 1:19:00 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1585686

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Stability.html A good read, for this thread, IMO. tgp, you're right......definitely a good read. The guy has put on paper the worst of my inner fears. I have felt for some time things are not right with this country.....and that was well before 9/11. Tonite, I was listening to Oliver North and the former Undersecretary of State under Reagan talk about Iraq and whether we should attack, or not. North was biting at the bit, saying we should have gone in yesterday. The former undersecretary was saying just the opposite......and that if we were to attack someone, it should be Iran. Obviously, I agree more with the position of the former undersecretary but I was struck by how differently they presented their arguments. I tried very hard to see them without my biases in place......naturally, that was not easy. And I have to say that the argument put forth by the undersecretary was well done, intelligent and fairly compelling. The one presented by North was nearly as compelling but it was presented with a strong undertone of hysteria and while intelligent, I felt like it was the fox presenting his view of the chicken coop. In some ways, he echoed the stuff put out by D. Ray. He insisted there is only one solution to the problem and that is to attack ASAP! It was the black and white thing again. And I realized then, that we had gone from a country that tries to arbitrate the peace between nations to one that provokes nations into war. Why is that? When did we get to the place where we thought war is a walk in the park? Is that to make up for the Vietnamese mess, or have we become a nation of paranoids? Does the fact that Russia no longer exists as a superpower made all the difference? And then I read the article by Michael Kelly that I posted. Much like D. Ray he has turned the Clinton years into a joke and considers the supposed prosperity a sham........but I lived those years....people did prosper and good things did happen. But now Clinton has been turned into an American bin Laden and seemingly there is nothing good that he did. And then I thought about the proposed war on Iraq. Who the fukk did the orchestration of this thing? Its turned into an incredible screaming match where few are rational, and nothing is very clear. Its pitting neighbor against neighbor, the US against its allies, the Presidency against Congress. How did we get to the point where the President no longer feels compelled to discuss his war plans with Congress? Is it the intent of the current administration to divide and conquer, or did they not know what they were doing? I find it hard to believe its the latter since the Afghan war was fairly well orchestrated. Is the confusion and craziness because there's division in the House of Bush, or because they want us confused and muddled so they can ram their plans through? What path are we on and where are we going? After all this, I came across your post, and for the first time in my life, I wonder if it would be better if we all went our own separate ways. Has America become so diverse that its no longer clear what an American is? Today, Steve Harris posted the article about the black guy from Seattle who allegedly has turned Islamic terrorist. When he was here in Seattle, he was a big hero. Was that all subterfuge, or did someone convince him that terrorist Islam had answers that this country could not, would not provide. And why would he want to destroy this country.........the land of the free, the home of the brave. Is it because we no longer are those things? I really don't understand. It can't be that Islam alone is so compelling. You might be able to brainwash an 18 year old kid but not a 36 year old man. Something is very wrong; things are not working; we hardly can agree with each other. I think we've lost our sense of purpose and we no longer know what it means to be an American. Most of all, I don't think we like each other very much any more. ted