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To: yard_man who wrote (5481)	8/30/2002 10:56:26 AM
From: Jim Willie CB	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

you caught my flaw: oxygen released equals oxygen combined only direct means for solar is automobiles, stoves, refrigerators, and stereo sets that run on solar while we have accomplished the calculator so far, that is about as far as we might get for a while as for cost, solar panels are radically coming down check out AstroPower (APWR) they have improved solar panel substrates tremendously and increased speed of production lines tremendously they will become a household word by 2010 I like the Dutch wind power guys, whose name escapes me so much power, so little harness esp in the North Sea, Ireland, British Isles we will NEVER get away from the required storage issue energy or hydrogen must be produced and stored because of economies of scale, where it is produced, it is produced in much larger quantities than what is needed at that location our entire developed economies are all about production, storate, distribution, consumption I would like to walk away from that model but it gonna be tough distributed power is an idea advanced by Ferris as in home power plants, office building power plants we could get there but even along that path, we will have the need for producing, storing, distributing some key fuels like methane, methanol, or hydrogen gonna be interesting and because of lack of leadership and foresight, this country and most of Europe will be chugging uphill for the next many many years 1973-74 was our warning signal we ignored it our national energy policy can be stated simply: SUV / jim

To: yard_man who wrote (5481)	8/30/2002 11:10:02 AM
From: Jim Willie CB	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

SFran Bay area continues to lead the Real Estate decline but Manhattan is showing some pain also with some details and comments on the jobs that affect RE Eric Fry quotes: - From extreme sports to extreme real estate...San Francisco tops an ignominious list of "extreme" real estate markets, according to research and advisory firm, Property and Portfolio Research LLC. "An extreme office market is defined in this report as one where construction has ground to a near halt," the Wall Street Journal explains. "Construction of office buildings nationwide fell about 43% for the six months ended June, from a year earlier. But in tech-wrecked San Francisco, construction starts dropped a whopping 97%." - Despite the construction bust, the vacancy rate in the Bay Area continues to soar. Here in Manhattan, the office property market is holding up somewhat better, but vacancy rates are rising nonetheless. The vacancy rate for prime Manhattan office space rose to 10.2% in July, according to Colliers ABR Inc., up from 6.2% one year earlier. In terrorist-stricken Lower Manhattan, the vacancy rate has soared to 14.7% in July from only 5.8% one year earlier. - There's no sign of a turnaround, yet. And there won't be one until companies start hiring more folks than they're firing. But weekly jobless claims spiked above 400,000 again last week, to the highest level in almost two months. The four-week-average of new claims rose for a third straight week to 392,750. - "The rise in claims is in line with a survey showing the number of consumers who considered jobs hard to get this month was the highest in more than six years," Bloomberg News reports. - Confirming the grim employment outlook, the Conference Board's Help-Wanted Advertising Index dropped again in July. - "The U.S. labor market is treading water," says Conference Board Economist Ken Goldstein. "With an economic recovery not yet strong enough to produce new jobs, businesses simply aren't increasing their recruitment efforts."

To: yard_man who wrote (5481)	8/30/2002 1:55:59 PM
From: Mark Adams	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

I think they were looking at using HighTemp superconductor rings to store energy for peaking demands- large loops buried underground. There are energy losses, keeping the liquid nitrogen temp required for losses circulation of electrons. The one I remember being considered was intended for research rather than a demo of practical on demand energy storage. If you use solar to create electricity, then by all means use it if needed. But what of night time? Burn gas? Use a fuel cell to reconvert the hydro produced by excess available electricity in the daytime? I suppose Nuke/Fusion might make this all moot.