To: Neocon who wrote (55965 ) 8/30/2002 4:55:21 PM From: The Philosopher Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486 I think an argument can be made -- perhaps even won -- that overall people are best off in the clan or tribe setting, as long as there is some opportunity to transfer to other clans or tribes through marriage or volunary relocation. When I look around, the most successful groups I see are relatively small groups where there is a mutuality of interest and concern. Granted, because of the nature of today's society those are mostly self-selected groups, because we have destroyed the clan/tribe structure. But if you look, for example, at colleges today, they increasingly are tending to break their dormitories up into sub-groups -- wings, floors, whatever. The artificial reconstruction of a clan or tribe, but a recognition that such groups are best for mutual concern, caring, support, etc. Many businesses are moving to replace the hierarchial structure with work groups or teams--again, moving from a centralized government structure toward a confederated clan/tribe structure. I grant that these are artificial, at least partly self-selecting, and transient. But they reflect, IMO, a recognition that there is strength in the small unit which lives or works together. There is a nostalgia for neighborhoods. Integrated living communities are starting to be created which combine living and work and shopping and intentionally bring tribe-sized groups of people together for multiple purposes. Obviously, none of these come close to a true clan or tribe structure. But I think they reflect a recognition of need -- even a hunger -- for something our highly depersonalized society has lost.