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To: Mannie who wrote (5586)9/1/2002 9:02:46 AM
From: Jim Willie CB  Respond to of 89467
 
really fun, wide open game, Buckeyes might be tough this year

Ohio State has a couple young'uns that could blossom
Krenzel at QB led them to a victory last year in AnnArbor
we call it A2 (friends of UMichigan)
funny, I grew up with a couple neighbors who attended UMich
my nextdoor neighbor, another friend
and a couple top swimmers from my highschool

Krenzel was the first recruit by new coach Tressel
K was kept under wraps for most of last season
the QB was mediocre, but a senior
then late in the season he was caught in drunk driving
so K got the start on the road in a big game with UM
he upset them

now we have a new freshman named Maurice Clarrett
he is 235 lbs with breakaway speed at running back
in his debut two weeks ago: 175 yrds, 2 TD
he pulled away from the secondary of lowly TexasTech
the kid is gonna be big

so I like the Buckeye chances in the BigTen
last year I attended one game, host of my old Ohio college chum
saw a loss to Wisconsin, oh well
I intend to finagle another ticket

funny close on football at the Horseshoe
we graduated in 1973 following tumultuous VietNam era
we rioted and enjoyed tremendous mayhem
but years later, our dormitory set up a reunion weekend
late in Sept, pre-conference, we got 40-50 together
I went a couple times, other local friends went regularly
we had a big block on the 20ydline
well, wouldnt you know?
with Shoe Upgrading to 105k seats, they expanded luxury boxes
our block was commandeered, our block is no more
we were not offered anything in exchange, nothing
the end of our Haverfield House Reunion
that bothers me to no end, since we are loyal alums

life goes on
glad you enjoy the Huskies, an exciting team annually
that Alexis RB looks good
/ Jim



To: Mannie who wrote (5586)9/3/2002 12:17:57 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Hidden agendas stymie Iraq debate

By JIM HOAGLAND
SYNDICATED COLUMNIST
Monday, September 2, 2002

WASHINGTON -- Hidden agendas are to Washington what cars are to Detroit or skyscrapers to Manhattan: They come in all shapes and sizes. Silent motives color the flawed debate over Iraq rattling through the nation's capital in these somnolent days of August.

Critics have developed the Saddam Hussein two-step to glide over underlying concerns: YES, they dutifully say, the Iraqi dictator is a thug who has done terrible things (pause) BUT the time is not right, the administration has not made its case, the allies are not with us, we can still contain and deter the beast of Baghdad.

Why this rush to prejudge a case not yet made for a decision not yet made? Let me decode a central fear of some critics: They do not think that George W. Bush and his divided administration are capable of implementing an orderly and successful military campaign in Iraq without inflicting major casualties and national damage on the United States.

They don't think this president, our 43rd, and all his squabbling men are up to the job, despite the United States' experiences in the 1991 Gulf War, the successful use of air power in Bosnia and Kosovo and the surprisingly swift breaking of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The first thing to be said about this line of argument is that it is legitimate and important, and could even come to be correct in one circumstance that I will identify. For the American public to understand the stakes in a war that no one should want to wage, this misgiving and others should be plainly stated by our foreign-policy wise persons.

But very few of those urging "Don't Attack Iraq," as Brent Scowcroft did in The Wall Street Journal on Aug. 15, are prepared to engage in open debate on the competence issue. The frontal assault is not the way the Washington policy elite fights internecine battles. Positioning, deception and undoing a president's decision one piece at a time are the ways of Washington.

But the steady drumroll of opinion pieces by former national security advisers and CIA chiefs -- who when in office encouraged the Iraqi dictator to attack Iran, bolstered his forces during that war or made sure he paid no significant price for kicking out U.N. weapons inspectors later on -- suggest that some of them share the open skepticism of many of my journalistic colleagues over Bush's intellectual and leadership abilities.

How else to explain the judicious Scowcroft, national security adviser to Bush's father and mentor to George W.'s adviser, Condoleezza Rice, going postal and public rather than seeking a quiet meeting with Bush the younger to explain why attacking Iraq is a bad idea?

One problem of dynastic politics is that personal and national history become interwoven. Can Scowcroft really look at George W. and see THE president, rather than the son of the 41st president? Perhaps he can, making him an even more remarkable human being.

But the scar tissue is deep in the Bush 43 administration from unresolved battles of Bush 41 over Iraq. Many senior officials argued back then that: (1) Saddam could be co-opted, or at least deterred from attacking America's friends, by words and favors. (2) Economic sanctions would drive him out of Kuwait once he had proved (1) wrong. (3) The war their mistakes on (1) and (2) helped produce should be stopped short of victory because the Iraqi dictator would soon be toppled by his army.

Going 0-for-3 might deter some from predicting with great certainty what Saddam's future actions will be. But humility would be a less important issue to a team player like Scowcroft than the need to sound the alarm of a looming disaster.

The circumstance that might prove such fears justified? There is one huge difference on the American side this time around. Bush the elder and his secretary of state, Jim Baker, were intimate friends and political allies. Baker bent the State Department to his president's will to organize the effective diplomatic and military coalition of 1991.

Bush the son is at odds in public and in private with his secretary of state, Colin Powell, whose skepticism about warring against Iraq has not been hidden in 41 or 43.

Those who predict that Bush 43 will not come up with an effective diplomatic strategy to support a new Gulf War may be dealing in a self-fulfilling prophecy. If Bush cannot show that he has convinced Colin Powell of the wisdom of his Iraq strategy, how can he convince the nation and the world? That is the question that needs to be asked openly and debated clearly, not in sub-rosa fashion.

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Jim Hoagland is associate editor/senior foreign correspondent for The Washington Post. Copyright 2002 Washington Post Writers Group. E-mail: hoaglandj@washpost.com

seattlepi.nwsource.com



To: Mannie who wrote (5586)9/3/2002 1:31:40 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
What War Looks Like

progressive.org

<<...Surely, we must discuss the political issues. We note that an attack on Iraq would be a flagrant violation of international law. We note that the mere possession of dangerous weapons is not grounds for war--else we would have to make war on dozens of countries. We point out that the country that possesses by far the most "weapons of mass destruction" is our country, which has used them more often and with more deadly results than any nation on Earth. We can point to our national history of expansion and aggression. We have powerful evidence of deception and hypocrisy at the highest levels of our government.

But, as we contemplate an American attack on Iraq, should we not go beyond the agendas of the politicians and the experts? (John le Carré has one of his characters say: "I despise experts more than anyone on earth.")

Should we not ask everyone to stop the high-blown talk for a moment and imagine what war will do to human beings whose faces will not be known to us, whose names will not appear except on some future war memorial?...>>



To: Mannie who wrote (5586)9/3/2002 3:40:15 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
The Cheney Doctrine: War Without End

By Patrick J. Buchanan

theamericancause.org

Vice President Dick Cheney has just made the most powerful case yet for the Bush Doctrine of Pre-emptive War.

There is "no doubt," said Cheney to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, that Saddam "is amassing [weapons of mass destruction] to use against our friends, against our allies and against us." And when Saddam gets a nuclear weapon, he "can be expected to seek domination of the entire Middle East and subject the United States to nuclear blackmail."

Dick Cheney is a serious man, and he may be right about Saddam's intent. And if we fail to kill this snake we may pay a hellish price. But Cheney's arguments do appear to contradict Cold War history and common sense.

Consider:

If Saddam is a "mortal threat" to the United States, 6,000 miles away, is he not a mortal threat to Israel next door? Yet tiny Israel seems less alarmed than Cheney and has not launched a pre-emptive war. What does Ariel Sharon know that we do not?

And if Saddam intends to use nuclear weapons to "dominate the entire Middle East," why has Iran not launched a pre-emptive war, before being made a satellite by Saddam? Is Iran perhaps far ahead of Iraq in the nuclear arms race, and delighted the Americans are about to emasculate their Arab rival in the Gulf?

Turks, Kurds, Iranians, Saudis, Kuwaitis, Jordanians, Israelis – none of these people appear as frightened of Saddam Hussein as the vice president of the most powerful nation on earth. Why?

Should Saddam get nuclear weapons, says Cheney, he "will subject the United States to nuclear blackmail."

Pardon me, but there is serious doubt Saddam is close to a nuclear weapon and serious doubt he would ever dare try to blackmail us. Stalin acquired nuclear weapons in 1949, but did not blackmail us out of Berlin. Mao acquired nuclear weapons in 1964, but did not blackmail us out of Taiwan. Khrushchev, with a thousand times as many weapons of mass destruction as Saddam is ever likely to have, tried to intimidate us in the Cuban missile crisis. How did that work out?

History suggests that nations build nuclear weapons not to go on the warpath, but as deterrents to adversaries. North Korea has used its nuclear arsenal not to attack us but to extort from us nuclear power plants, foreign aid and diplomatic recognition.

Even should Saddam acquire a crude nuclear device, for him to threaten us with it would invite annihilation. To use it would ensure annihilation. Why would Saddam, who sleeps in a different bed every night to stay alive, risk the utter destruction of himself, his family, his dynasty, his monuments, his legacy?

Saddam could give a nuclear weapon to terrorists, Cheney warns. But why would this ultimate survivor put his fate in the hands of an Osama bin Laden, who might set the bomb off, then tell the Americans Saddam gave it to him – to ignite the U.S.-Islamic war Osama ardently desires?

Saddam's behavior over the years suggests that he wishes to avoid an all-out war with the United States. Why did he not use chemical weapons on invading Americans in 1991? Because Jim Baker told Tarik Aziz what Saddam could expect in return. Instead, Saddam accepted the most one-sided defeat in modern history.

Yet, let us concede that Cheney may be right, that there is a risk that Saddam, should he acquire a nuclear weapon, may commit suicide and use it. But what this administration does not seem to see is that the risks of its own bellicose war rhetoric may be far greater.

With President Bush daily threatening war on any "axis of evil" nation that seeks a weapon of mass destruction, every rogue regime from Libya eastward must be in the market for one, if only to gain the measure of security North Korea seems to have achieved.

The president and his War Cabinet are today giving our enemies the most powerful of incentives, i.e., survival, for seeking the very weapons whose proliferation we wish to prevent.

In making his case for pre-emptive war, Cheney quoted Kissinger: "The imminence of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, the huge danger it involves, the rejection of a viable inspection system, and the demonstrated hostility of Saddam Hussein combine to produce an imperative for pre-emptive action."

But this description applies not only to Saddam Hussein. It applies to Khadafi, Assad, the ayatollahs and Kim Jong-Il, all of whom might well conclude that, after Saddam goes down, their turn comes next. By the Kissinger formula, they should all be targeted "for pre-emptive action." For America, the logic of the Bush Doctrine of Pre-emptive War points to war without end.