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To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (123716)9/1/2002 12:30:08 PM
From: kech  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472
 
Good explanation of business as usual. Another ways to say it is as follows. As Warren Buffet says, "if you are playing poker and you aren't sure who the patsy is, it is probably you".



To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (123716)9/1/2002 12:41:23 PM
From: John Carragher  Respond to of 152472
 
"Suppose the firm made a bad recommendation, now realizes it's bad, and wants
to get its clients out with minimum losses".

Of course we are talking about well heeled clients... Perhaps more than a few million who trade frequently. Your average guy is not going to get a call until it gets the clients, who mean a lot, out.



To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (123716)9/1/2002 3:47:54 PM
From: limtex  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 152472
 
AB - Well with 1X now starting and apparently quite well at lewast in the Far East and possinly in the US too maybe Q will start to perform as we have all hoped for so long.

And so maybe just maybe the analyst view coincides with what we have been wating for.

Surely the whole of the American investment industry and business is rooten. It can't all be bad.

Best,

L



To: Art Bechhoefer who wrote (123716)9/1/2002 7:39:42 PM
From: Jon Koplik  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472
 
NYT -- recessions / economists / "Anxious Index"

Forecast Too Sunny? Try the Anxious Index

September 1, 2002
By DAVID LEONHARDT

You almost wonder whether Wall Street's economists were
competing with their colleagues in equity research
departments to see who could make worse predictions.

While the analysts were saying early last year that the
stocks of Enron and the telecommunications sector were
undervalued, the economists were forecasting that the
country would escape recession. Whenever bad economic news
emerged, many economists pushed their rosy predictions a
few weeks into the future. Few acknowledged the recession
until it was nearly over.

Now the economy is looking weak again, and the forecasters
have assured us that growth is going to pick up soon. Is
there any reason to believe them?

Based on history, the answer is no. As a group, Wall Street
economists have failed to predict any of the three
recessions in the last 20 years, according to records kept
by the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia. Hidden in the
economists' forecasts, however, is a little-known economic
indicator - call it the Anxious Index - that has been an
impressively reliable warning light for recessions. It
deserves to steal some of the attention from the oft-quoted
prognostications of imminent growth.

Predicting shifts in the $10 trillion United States economy
is quite difficult. Economists know that optimism is
usually the best bet because the economy grows more often
than it shrinks. "A great many forecasters forecast the
recent past," said Robert Barbera, the chief economist at
Hoenig & Company, a small investment firm in Port Chester,
N.Y. "You'll be right 70 percent of the time," added Mr.
Barbera, one of the few economists to call last year's
recession.

The handful of accurate forecasters came almost exclusively
from boutique firms or college campuses, and this is
probably not a coincidence. Like stock analysts, economists
at big banks and brokerage firms have a financial incentive
to predict good times. The profits of their companies - and
thus some of their own pay, which can reach seven figures
for chief economists - depend on people's confidence and
their willingness to buy stocks.

Given these conflicts, the steady predictions that the
economy will grow by an annual rate of about 3 percent in
coming quarters deserves about the same consideration as
the constant chorus of "buy" recommendations on stocks.

James E. Cayne, chief executive of Bear Stearns,
acknowledged as much while testifying two years ago during
a trial to determine whether the firm should repay a client
who lost millions of dollars based on its poor currency
predictions. Economists "don't really have a good record as
far as predicting the future," Mr. Cayne said. "I think
that it is entertainment," he said, referring to their
work.

That may be a bit harsh. Even if their overall forecasts
are unreliable, some economists at big banks and brokerage
firms produce thought-provoking research about narrower
areas like housing and debt. Many might also have a keener
sense of foreboding than they are willing to admit
publicly.


Enter the Anxious Index.

In addition to keeping track of the forecasts of
economists, the Philadelphia Fed asks them near the middle
of each quarter to estimate the odds that the economy will
shrink over the coming year. The economists give a
percentage for the current quarter and each of the next
four.

The magic number for the Anxious Index seems to be 30. When
forecasters think that there is a 30 percent chance that
the economy will shrink in the coming quarter, a downturn
usually follows. "When we're up in that range, it really
means a recession could happen at any time," said Dean
Croushore, an economist at the Philadelphia Fed.

(To take a look at the index, type in
phil.frb.org and check under
"Mean Probability of Decline in Real G.D.P." The fifth
column from the left covers the quarter after the survey.)

The index rose above 30 before every recession since 1968,
the earliest date for which the Fed has data. In good
times, the index hovers around 10. It is not perfect. It
has sometimes remained above 30 even after recessions ended
and raised a false alarm after the 1987 stock market crash.
But the Anxious Index has a far superior record to
economists' actual predictions.

So what does it say these days? After jumping to almost 32
early last year, shortly before the recession, it remained
high until this year's second quarter, then fell to about
14. It moved to 18 in the most recent survey, reflecting
the summer's weak spending and stock market declines but
still not suggesting that a double-dip recession is likely.


Think of the Anxious Index as a translator for those
relentlessly bullish Wall Street forecasts. Right now, the
economists appear to mean what they are saying.

Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company.