To: TimF who wrote (150836 ) 9/3/2002 4:23:24 PM From: tejek Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1586214 The links that both you and I provided clearly state that streetcars had bad economics because cities kept their fares unreasonably restricted. With some cities, GM came in early to buy the streetcars and dismember the systems, with others they did it later. And it others they didn't do it at all, either because they just didn't bother or because the fact that the streetcars had bad economics meant that they had already disappeared before GM got involved. ' That makes no sense.......how could GM get involved if the systems no longer existed. The systems were in operation when GM got involved......and then proceeded to dismantle them. And why weren't fare restrictions mentioned in other links? Because they were an issue in only some of cases.As for your notion of finding the higher good or truth, if that were the case why are you so ready to place your faith in some crackpot's letter to the editor rather than official reports. None of the official reports shows through facts and solid argument that the streetcars went away because of GM. What facts do you want.........GM bought the systems and dismantled them. They said it was good for America and many Americans bought their bs.The topic has been well researched and whether you choose to believe it or not, GM bought our streetcar systems with malicious intent and had them dissected. Malicious intent is hard to pin down, Maybe for you but not for me. its a matter of opinion if the intent was malicious. Again, maybe for you but not for me. The act wouldn't make them money unless the bus routes made them money. GM thought (perhaps deluding itself) that it could make money on the bus routes. If the trollies did make economic sense then GM buying them to shut them down would have been futile as someone else would have built them back again. To the extent that GM killed them it killed a victim that was already bleeding to death. After GM bought the streetcar systems,and dismantled them, they sold the systems to American cities along with some shiny new buses.It has been well documented throughout history how American corps. have screwed the American public. They don't do it half as much as the government, You're naive. even if you are only considering government attempts to regulate corporations. We need to regulate the hell of them so American people don't keep getting screwed. Corporations are some of the most dishonest institutions in this country and have contributed much to our messes. ted