To: E. Charters who wrote (539 ) 9/3/2002 6:12:26 PM From: marcos Respond to of 1293 If we're so subsidised, why ain't we rich .... you ask that slippery-tongued lawyer of theirs that question, and he'll move sideways into a not-so-subtle attack on our universal health care, without ever attempting an honest answer to the simple inquiry .... did you ever see a comprehensive and useful body of figures out of that slave-land lobby to point out just exactly how the multiple systems compare on relative subsidies [there are more than two systems, many more, you've got two federal guvmints, ten provincial, forty-nine states unless Hawaii exports palm lumber in which case fifty states] ..... i thought not, neither has anybody else We are an independent people, we have distinct ways of arranging our affairs, and that is going to continue as long as the few of us with spine in this g.w.n. draw breath ..... you know some of the irony in the current situation, is that many of us here in Lotusland have been arguing for many years in favour of land tenure and cutting rights tenure reform, in ways very much like what the pine lobby's head sleazeball says they want - more market-oriented system and less mill-timber ties .... and that's what has been happening, many of the old deals having expired at the ends of their terms ..... but we know that what the yeller pine mob says they want, is not all they want ... they want our land Many good points here EC, but i have to go .... China will buy some of our wood yes likely, but there is so much coming out of Russia lately, shorter distance to C with presumably less transport cost, and also incredibly cheap, as the russians have so far seemed to subscribe to a form of 'capitalism' that one suspects would appeal very much to Herr Ragosta and crew - they get their buddies in guvmint to hand them the land/timber for dirt cheap and then it's 'theirs' and thusly 'free-market' now, lol ...... how can you base a credible free-enterprise system on theft, this question they never answer .... later .... cheers