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To: jcky who wrote (41853)9/4/2002 12:27:10 AM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Historically, every other nation that has nuclear weaponry, including Red China has foresworn using them ever. They are but an equalizer. For us to pre-emptively attack Iraq because they may have nuclear weapons is beyond irresponsible.



To: jcky who wrote (41853)9/4/2002 12:28:41 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Senators Wary About Action Against Iraq


By Helen Dewar and Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, September 4, 2002; Page A01

President Bush has yet to make a compelling case for military action against Iraq, senators of both parties said yesterday as they returned to Washington with serious questions about the administration's war plans.

Several, including Minority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.), who earlier had questioned the need for congressional authorization of force against Iraq, said they believe the administration should seek Congress's approval before an attack is launched.

Some also said the United States should try again to get Iraq to accept United Nations weapons inspectors before resorting to military action. While Iraq would probably balk, senators said, the effort could help build international support for eventual U.S. action.

The assessments came as Bush invited congressional leaders to the White House this morning to discuss terrorism issues, including policy toward Iraq, and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld planned a classified briefing for all senators later in the day. In an address to the United Nations on Sept. 12, Bush is expected to include a case for removing Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, administration officials said.

The officials said these events signaled a personal effort by Bush to convince lawmakers and the world that Hussein must be ousted, but they acknowledged the efforts may fall short of what lawmakers want. White House officials contend details would be premature, since Bush has made no final decisions.

"The president will make the case, whatever decision he ultimately makes," White House press secretary Ari Fleischer told reporters yesterday. "When he does, he's confident that people, as a result of the consultation, will listen and jump to good judgments."

Fleischer said Bush will plan his response to the "menace" of Hussein "in a consultative way, in a respective way, in a listening way." He said today's meeting with lawmakers "is the president reaching out and leading" and "reaching out and listening."

Until recently, most senators had kept to themselves misgivings about a possible military strike against Iraq. But, after a month of hearing constituents' concerns about the possibility of war during Congress's summer recess, they were unusually outspoken as the Senate reconvened yesterday. The House will return today.

Even some of the president's strongest supporters suggested that, while they might support military action, they cannot do so based on what they -- and the American public -- have been told so far.

"If I voted today [on a war authorization], I would vote 'no' because I don't believe the case has been made to the American people," said Sen. Larry E. Craig (Idaho), chairman of the Senate Republican Policy Committee. The administration is beginning to make its case but has farther to go, said Craig, a strong backer of the administration.

Sen. Susan M. Collins (Maine), a GOP moderate, made a similar assessment. "For the United States to launch a preemptive strike on Iraq requires the administration to present a compelling case," she said. "I am still waiting to hear that case."

Lott did not go that far but said, "I do think that we're going to have to get a more coherent message together" about the threat posed by Hussein and the administration's plans to deal with it. Asked if he was comfortable with the White House's message so far, Lott said, "I'd like to have a couple more days before I respond to that."

Majority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.), speaking after the Democrats' weekly closed-door luncheon, said he thought "most Democrats believe that the president has yet to make the case for taking action in Iraq."

Specifically, he said, the administration needs to explain what new information it has about the threat posed by Iraq, the impact on other anti-terror efforts and on relations between the U.S. and its allies, the cost of a military invasion and plans for a post-Hussein regime. Unilateral action could have "very, very dire consequences for our country," he warned.

In briefing reporters at the Pentagon, Rumsfeld said Bush has long favored a resumption of U.N. weapons inspections in Iraq. But he questioned whether the Iraqi government would agree to the kind of inspections that would assure the world it was not making weapons of mass destruction in violation of U.N. mandates.

Asked about Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz's comment that Iraq would be willing to discuss a resumption of inspections, Rumsfeld dismissed the offer and said Aziz was clearly doing "the bidding of his master, Saddam Hussein."

"They have, over a good many years, demonstrated a wonderful talent and skill at manipulating the media and international organizations in other countries," Rumsfeld said.

He said Iraq is more of a threat now than it was a year ago.

"We know that they were a lot closer than any of the experts had estimated they would be with respect to [developing] a nuclear weapon," he said, referring to the post-1991 inspections. "To the extent that they have kept their nuclear scientists together and working on these efforts, one has to assume they've not been playing tiddlywinks."

In the Senate, some Democrats questioned the priority the administration attaches to Iraq. "The Israeli-Palestinian situation ought to be higher priority," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). "To leave it unresolved and to attack an Arab country . . . will unite the Arab world against us."

Others suggested the administration may be engaging in a rush to judgment. "Basically, I think they're pushing it too fast," said Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), a possible Democratic presidential contender for 2004.

One of the most supportive comments about the administration's Iraqi policy came from Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who has tangled repeatedly with Bush on other issues. McCain said Vice President Cheney has begun to make the administration's case for military action. He predicted both houses would easily pass a war authorization resolution if one is sought.

While Bush has not said whether he will seek a vote authorizing use of force if a decision is made to attack Iraq, numerous senators said they believed he would do so, as his father, President George H.W. Bush, did for the Persian Gulf War a decade ago.

"I think a case could be made that additional authority would not be required, but I think that the reality is -- and the political preference is -- that Congress be engaged and be a supportive and willing partner," Lott said.

Daschle took a tougher line. "We have a constitutional responsibility, and we intend to enforce that responsibility," he said.
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Staff writer Vernon Loeb contributed to this report.

© 2002 The Washington Post Company

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To: jcky who wrote (41853)9/4/2002 12:31:10 AM
From: kumar  Respond to of 281500
 
<I hope the new evidence is gathered from an objective source such as reconnaissance satellite photographs or images. >

Bingo!



To: jcky who wrote (41853)9/4/2002 1:56:21 AM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
But if this new evidence is based upon tainted sources such as Iraqi defectors' testimony or "reliable" Israeli intelligence information having a conflict of interest in waging war against Saddam, I am going to shake my head in total disbelief. I hope the new evidence is gathered from an objective source such as reconnaissance satellite photographs or images.

jcky, there's only one thing I can tell you for sure about Saddam's nuke program -- it's very well hidden. He does not want a repeat of 1981. Given that, nobody who has a chance to know anything is likely to be a source you would consider 'untainted'.



To: jcky who wrote (41853)9/4/2002 5:24:29 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 281500
 
The Patriotism We Need Now


By Katrina vanden Heuvel - editor of The Nation.

tompaine.com

Last September cost innocent lives and innocent assumptions about our everyday security. Both are gone forever. But the Bush administration’s subsequent "war on terrorism" has also cost us something that we can and must recover: the ability to criticize our government without being branded traitors. Losing that ability means conceding democracy to fanaticism and fear -- precisely the aim of Osama bin Laden and his murderous band. 9/11 gave George Bush a second chance as president. Now the president is using it to advance a radical right-wing agenda that puts the nation at risk.

By late last summer Bush's public approval ratings were heading Deep South. Writing on September 6, Wall Street Journal political editor Al Hunt summarized an emerging consensus. Bush had shown himself "dumbfounded or duplicitous" on the issues, and was no longer "controlling much of the political discourse."

9/11 changed that. Horrified at what had happened, Americans rallied round their president to lead a suitable response. They responded with a new respect for the extraordinary heroism of firefighters and other public servants. Citizens learned a lesson that rebuked the "infectious greed" generated by this era of market dominance. "Big Government" was no longer the "Big Evil" in the face of real dangers and collective need. Alongside the fear and anger, these reactions contained a hopeful thread for reconstructing America's frayed democracy.

But what we have gotten since instead -- all offered in the name of "fighting terrorism" -- is "war profiteering" masquerading as a stimulus package; abrupt and unilateral U.S. withdrawal from international arms control and environmental agreements; and a steady diet of lies from this administration about everything from prescription drugs to the soundness of Social Security. Now this war president’s approval ratings are again slipping, and he is looking for another war -- but this time not against a cave-dwelling enemy in one of the poorest countries on Earth, but an organized modern dictatorship in the armed and volatile Middle East.

But it is not too late to take back our country and use this moment -- one year later -- to build a post-9/11 Reconstruction Agenda: restoring tax fairness; building a high-road economy of shared prosperity; protecting and repairing our environment; winning real campaign reform; fixing our broken cities and prisons; seeking peace through sustainable development; and providing universal access to quality health care, education and housing. While we're at it, why not launch a Moon Shot effort to achieve national energy independence, and deny terrorists and corrupt regimes in the Middle East the source of their power.

All of these things are needed to advance this country's democratic promise. Fighting for them is the patriotism needed now.