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To: GST who wrote (147049)	9/6/2002 12:11:22 AM
From: Gary Walker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 164684

GST, don't mean to be rude, but where have you been? Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990, was headed for Saudi Arabia, shot terrorist skud missles at Israel. He gassed his own people to quell opposition. He surrendered to a peace plan which included disarmament, and an agreement to not produce weapons of mass destruction and allow UN weapons inspectors to insure he followed the agreement. He kicked out the inspectors, calling them spies. What has he been doing since the inspectors left in 1999? Planting flowers? He is a real threat to the region AND the world. What right do we have to go there and invade a country? The right to self defense. Remember WWII? We avoided entering the war and stood by while millions of people were killed by Hitler. No nation was willing to stand up to him until it was to late to avert disaster. I agree with you on one point, leadership gap. The problem we have is that Bush is losing the PR war to Saddam. Bush can't afford to give away the secrets to what we know about Saddam's war machine and people like you don't trust his judgement. It's a catch 22 for the President. Tell the secrets and risk exposing your sources and their ultimate death by Saddam or give the world the information it needs to decide the correct course of action. I say, trust the leadership in Washington. If that means finding a peaceful solution then fine. If that means bringing down the wrath of God on the Middle East (Saddam specifically) then do it before they bury our children's children. 9-11 changed everything. We cannot just sit around and wait for those SOB's to slaughter us until we abandon Israel. They have brought the terror to our soil and may they rot in hell for it.

To: GST who wrote (147049)	9/6/2002 2:21:59 AM
From: Bill Harmond	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 164684

How do you define leadership?

To: GST who wrote (147049)	9/6/2002 7:43:39 AM
From: Oeconomicus	Respond to of 164684

If we go through the UN security Council, the question will be the same -- what is the logic that justifies this? So far, none has been provided. No, the logic has been provided all along - that Iraq has WMDs and as long as Hussein is in charge and won't give up the WMDs, Iraq is a threat. Seems pretty clear. The issues that Schroder and others want addressed are 1) do we actually have compelling evidence that Hussein has WMDs (there seems to be some disagreement even among the old inspections team at the UN)?; 2) do we have a reasonable basis to think he would use them himself to threaten us or our allies, or would supply them to others who would do so?; 3) why isn't containment an option?; 4) have we exhausted all possibilities of a diplomatic solution?; and 5) 3 & 4 failing, what is a workable plan of attack and what happens afterward? Our allies also want to be consulted, not just informed - they want their views and their concerns heard, considered and factored into whatever we, as a group, decide has to be done. It is not a matter of intangibles, of "leadership." One man's "leader" is another's "war-monger" - the former if you agree with him, the latter if you don't. Is Schroder a leader or a political opportunist? Is Arafat a leader or a terrorist? No, it's a matter of facts and answers to questions, convincing our Congress, our allies and the UN that our "case" is sound, and then agreeing on a plan. This is a process, not a sound bite or a speech, and the process has just begun. Why not see how the process plays out with Congress, our allies and the UN rather than assuming you know the outcome now. You can't - you can only make predictions. PS: Tell HJ he should really see a shrink about his obsessions with body parts and animals.