To: E. Charters who wrote (583 ) 9/6/2002 12:49:13 PM From: marcos Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1293 Sure there were factions, this is true anywhere .... Ho was a devious lying old coot, right up there on the scale of perfidy with the Nixons, no doubt about it .... but he and his group were vietnamese, this is my point ... sure they used brutal tactics, as did other groups who happened at that time to be defeated .... i would not want to be a vietnamese personally .... you have to remember that these people have been under foreign threat for a very long time, the han chinese coveted their territory hundreds of years ago, the french clearly wanted it, the japanese, then the french again and most latterly the US ..... perhaps under such conditions humans either surrender and disappear, or learn to fight by whatever means necessary Thomas, what EC says here is substantially correct [it just doesn't take away from my point, is all] .... here's Zinn who barely touches on the Great Purge of '46-'48 - thirdworldtraveler.com .. [actually, looks like he skips it entirely ... mentions the french bombing of Haiphong in Oct '46 which stimulated its greatest intensity though] ..... here is today's group claiming to be successors to one of the defeated factions - vietquoc.com .... lots of pages on this vietquoc site .... Chomsky somewhere goes into detail on the period, but not here - monkeyfist.com :8080/ChomskyArchive/essays/roi_html ... here though he does point out that the same Cao Dai and Hoa Hao groups in opposition to Ho's group '46-'48, were themselves opposed to the US puppet Diem in the south during the next decade .... [edit] - here's the VVAW, they have quite a history page if memory serves - vvaw.org I remembered one search term for Acheson's speech of 1950 - 'domino theory' .... it was the origination of the term ... from this time on the french and the US presented the issue of who would control Viet Nam as one of ideology, 'communists' against 'anti-communists' ..... black hats being valiantly opposed by white hats, nice and simple and clear, they are evil therefore we are pure good personified, it follows that all we do is of the highest order of good, and indeed, is this not a glorious scent, this of napalm and human flesh? ' ... no good governments. Only bad and less bad ones " Yes ... also there are local ones, and foreign ones