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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: kirby49 who wrote (18397)	9/9/2002 7:10:06 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

Good morning Kirby49. And as well as that part was this...." Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you; thanks to our religious laws we will dominate you.".... I have always been saying that they use our own laws as a weapon to kill us. This is the first time I have seen that concept in words from muslims. Take care Lorne

To: kirby49 who wrote (18397)	9/9/2002 7:44:33 AM
From: lorne	Respond to of 27666

Death to America by Daniel Pipes New York Post September 8, 2002 America's war on terrorism did not begin in September 2001. It began in November 1979. That was shortly after Ayatollah Khomeini had seized power in Iran, riding the slogan "Death to America" - and sure enough, the attacks on Americans soon began. In November 1979, a militant Islamic mob took over the U.S. embassy in Tehran, the Iranian capital, and held 52 Americans hostage for the next 444 days. The rescue team sent to free those hostages in April 1980 suffered eight fatalities, making them the first of militant Islam's many American casualties. Others included: April 1983: 17 dead at the U.S. embassy in Beirut. October 1983: 241 dead at the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut. December 1983: five dead at the U.S. embassy in Kuwait. January 1984: the president of the American University of Beirut killed. April 1984: 18 dead near a U.S. airbase in Spain. September 1984: 16 dead at the U.S. embassy in Beirut (again). December 1984: Two dead on a plane hijacked to Tehran. June 1985: One dead on a plane hijacked to Beirut. After a let-up, the attacks then restarted: Five and 19 dead in Saudi Arabia in 1995 and 1996, 224 dead at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in August 1998 and 17 dead on the USS Cole in Yemen in October 2000. Simultaneously, the murderous assault of militant Islam also took place on U.S. soil: July 1980: an Iranian dissident killed in the Washington, D.C. area. August 1983: a leader of the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam killed in Canton, Mich. August 1984: three Indians killed in a suburb of Tacoma, Wash. September 1986: a doctor killed in Augusta, Ga. January 1990: an Egyptian freethinker killed in Tucson, Ariz. November 1990: a Jewish leader killed in New York. February 1991: an Egyptian Islamist killed in New York. January 1993: two CIA staff killed outside agency headquarters in Langley, Va. February 1993: Six people killed at the World Trade Center. March 1994: an Orthodox Jewish boy killed on the Brooklyn Bridge. February 1997: a Danish tourist killed on the Empire State building. October 1999: 217 passengers killed on an EgyptAir flight near New York City. In all, 800 persons lost their lives in the course of attacks by militant Islam on Americans before September 2001 - more than killed by any other enemy since the Vietnam War. (Further, this listing does not include the dozens more Americans in Israel killed by militant Islamic terrorists.) And yet, these murders hardly registered. Only with the events of a year ago did Americans finally realize that "Death to America" truly is the battle cry of this era's most dangerous foe, militant Islam. In retrospect, the mistake began when Iranians assaulted the U.S. embassy in Tehran and met with no resistance. Interestingly, a Marine sergeant present at the embassy that fateful day in November 1979 agrees with this assessment. As the militant Islamic mob invaded the embassy, Rodney V. Sickmann followed orders and protected neither himself nor the embassy. As a result, he was taken hostage and lived to tell the tale. (He now works for Anheuser-Busch.) In retrospect, he believes that passivity was a mistake. The Marines should have done their assigned duty, even if it cost their lives. "Had we opened fire on them, maybe we would only have lasted an hour." But had they done that, they "could have changed history." Standing their ground would have sent a powerful signal that the United States of America cannot be attacked with impunity. In contrast, the embassy's surrender sent the opposite signal - that it's open season on Americans. "If you look back, it started in 1979; it's just escalated," Sickmann correctly concludes. To which one of the century's great geostrategist thinkers, Robert Strausz-Hupé, adds his assent. Just before passing away earlier this year at the age of 98, Strausz-Hupé wrote his final words, and they were about the war on terrorism: "I have lived long enough to see good repeatedly win over evil, although at a much higher cost than need have been paid. This time we have already paid the price of victory. It remains for us to win it." danielpipes.org

To: kirby49 who wrote (18397)	9/9/2002 6:41:48 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 27666

Kirby49. Here is a good article for all the " unbelievers " and terrorists supporters who think that this war has nothing to do with the muslim religion. Even so called moderate muslims may believe this carp. The Big Lie Sept. 4, 2002 An overwhelming majority of people in the Muslim world...do not believe the attacks of Sept. 11 were orchestrated by Osama bin Laden... Many believe, instead, that the whole thing was a conspiracy orchestrated by Jews. Totally innocent? It sounds incredible - the idea that Osama bin Laden had nothing to with the World Trade Center attacks. But as the Gallup poll later confirmed, that's exactly what most Muslims believe. "I was surprised that very few, even among the elites, believe that bin Laden did it," says Dr. Shibley Telhami, the man whom Gallup commissioned to analyze the findings of its survey. What is most important about the results of the polls? Says Telhami, "Well, if you look at the polls - and the ones that I have done in the Arab world - pertaining to Sept. 11, it's clear that there's almost a unanimous view that bin Laden was not responsible for Sept. 11. And that actually comes as a shock to Americans, given the evidence that is obviously out there. How could this be?" Full story >>> cbsnews.com

To: kirby49 who wrote (18397)	9/9/2002 10:09:36 PM
From: Investor Clouseau	Respond to of 27666

Also, we must not be fooled by those like IC who respects and applauds islam while saying Binny Boy and Sadist will be proven to not be prophets... You're absolutely right, I'll be silent in 2 days.

To: kirby49 who wrote (18397)	9/11/2002 9:05:33 PM
From: Davy Crockett	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

Hi Bob, U said <<Anyway, history teaches us that determined minorities always manage to impose themselves on reluctant and silent majorities>> I agree... Hopefully that will change sooner then later, as it did in WWll BTW, yur missin' a couple of verses... bcpl.net (Can't help but notice that no one else picked up on it... & jeez & I'm not even an American) Go figure Spangled Banner Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming? Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight, O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming? And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air, Gave proof thru the night that our flag was still there. Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave? On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep, Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes, What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep, As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses? Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam, In full glory reflected now shines on the stream. And where is that band who so vauntingly swore That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion A home and a country should leave us no more? Their blood has wiped out their foul footstep's pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave. Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand Between their loved homes and the war's desolation! Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation. The conquest we must, when our cause it is just And this be our motto: "In God is our trust." And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave. Regards, Peter