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To: Ali Chen who wrote (170878)	9/10/2002 1:47:33 PM
From: wanna_bmw	Respond to of 186894

Can you please make an effort to be less rude to valuable long time posters such as Amy J. She has never been rude to you. Also, if you reread her post, you might find she has a good point, even if the details are off. wbmw

To: Ali Chen who wrote (170878)	9/10/2002 2:40:38 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Ali, <<<200 components? How did you arrive to this number? Did you count resistors and capacitors on the mainboard? In this case it would be well above 1000...plus screws, plastic labels, and sheet metal... >>> How many hardware, software, firmware components are there that go inside or are attached to a PC that have to interface with the main processor? I don't know and you don't either. It is undoubtedly a large number. <<<Are you familiar with the concept alled "standartzation"? When every vendor adhere to standard specifications, and a system designer designs to comply with these specs? You do not test a floppy "against the main processor", it just works. Always these days.>>> You can take a chance (and most likely you sound like you do)and not test a lot of stuff. But there is a whole bunch of stuff out there that is not working because some smart A** thinks he knows it all and does not bother to test it. Just because someone claims he built something to stardard, spec, whatever, does not mean he successfully did so - or that he even tried to do so. That is why you test. Everything should be tested, at least once <GGGGG>. Even your floppy, if you have made some design changes. Mary

To: Ali Chen who wrote (170878)	9/24/2002 8:47:34 AM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Ali, regarding your position justifying "no" integration testing against chip vendors because (in your words) "are you familiar with the concept of standardization...it just works" Looks like a system doesn't "just work": maxtor.custhelp.com "Description ... I keep experiencing a lot system errors ... only happens on this computer. The symptoms don't follow the device to another known good platform." "Answer ... may not work if either an AMD processor (350 MHz or faster), or a VIA Technologies USB controller are installed. " Ali, so no integration component testing against AMD and VIA, huh? There are more than 200 components inside a PC. (Your reply was: RE:"200 components? How did you arrive to this number? Did you count...screws?"..."it would be well above 1000") Most people in the industry know how to count unique components versus multiple quantities of the same screw, and also how to discern this in dialogue without missing a beat. To create a (working) solution, one needs to look additionally above the bottom-level BOM, at the big picture. Regards, Amy J