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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (43271)	9/10/2002 9:44:51 PM
From: JEB	Respond to of 50167

Hi Ike, I really appreciate the wisdom I find in that article. The printed word is meant for debate. Lets see what debate will come from it. It may take a while for some to grasp the concepts but I believe it is the proverbial "seed" article. Meant to take root and flourish in minds barren and forlorn by domestic oppression.

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (43271)	9/10/2002 10:47:26 PM
From: greenspirit	Respond to of 50167

Ike, it would be wonderful if the words you've expressed were taken to heart by the people of Pakistan and elsewhere in the Middle East. Especially the poignant point you made here... Lets have no qualms and false pride since if Western societies do not offer us progress and hope we should not take pride and satisfaction to send our kids to Harvard and Wharton! The entire ruling class of Saudi and upper echelons of Islamic world is US educated they are send to Harvard for what? Why it should be that the children of Afghanistan and Pakistan should be condemned to study in medieval madaris whereas ‘Saudis’, the custodians of Islam, should have the best of the two education in Harvard and services of Islam in Mecca. What is good for them is good for everyone else too. What a world we could build together if another billion minds were free of medieval ways of thinking!

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (43271)	9/12/2002 2:02:02 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50167

Dawn-Two alleged activists of Al Qaeda were shot dead and five others arrested after a three-hour encounter here at Defence Housing Authority on Wednesday. Seven members of law-enforcement agencies also received injuries. The shooting occurred when heavy contingents of police and rangers raided an apartment C-63 of a complex on 15th Street, Phase II Extension. The police said acting on a tip-off that some suspected people were hiding there, they raided the apartment. Police claimed, during the operation, the suspects hurled two grenades on the police party which lobbed tear-gas shells over the three-storey complex to force the occupants to come out. Witnesses and the police said two suspects were arrested outside the building and as the police tried to apprehend their accomplices from the flat, they were fired upon. The police and rangers returned the fire. The splinters of the grenades inflicted injuries to some policemen. ASI Umer Hayat, ASI Baqar Shah, constables Mohammad Zamir, Yusuf and Sher Ali suffered injuries. Two officials of an intelligence agency, Maj Mohsin and Inspector Tariq, were also wounded. All of them were taken to PN Shifa Hospital where condition of Umer Hayat was stated to be serious. The two dead suspects were not identified as yet. The police and rangers were also tight-lipped about the identity of those five arrested. The officials did not confirm the nationalities of the suspects that whether they belonged to Al Qaeda or any other terrorists organization. However, the sources said the two dead, who had been shifted to Jinnah Postgraduate Medical Centre, were bearded and looked like Tajiks. The sources added the two among five arrested belonged to Al Qaeda. The IG Sindh, Syed Kamal Shah, told reporters on the spot that "the incident is not in any-way related to 9/11". The DIG Karachi (Operation), Tariq Jamil, said: "We have done our job. Now its up to investigation wing to investigate into it." Witnessing said a family comprising a man, his wife and a child, were living in a third-floor apartment. The sources said Gul Bibi had acquired the flat through an estate agent identified as Faisal Qureshi. This was the only family residing in the complex for the last one month. They often used to spend evenings at the roof-top of the building. When the apartment was raided, the police made repeated calls asking the suspects to surrender and release any of the hostages, to which the suspects allowed a woman and her child to go out. When the woman came out the child was unconscious due to tear-gas shelling. Umair, a witness, living in a nearby building, said: "I saw a woman holding her child running bare-foot. Later, she and her child were whisked away by rangers." Her husband was also taken in custody, the sources said. Witnesses said police and rangers surrounded the building at around 9:00am and the encounter began at 9:30am, which lasted for about three hours. A visit to the site showed that the walls of the building were riddled and damaged by heavy firing on three sides. This reporter saw from the roof-top of complex the body of a boy lying face down on the third floor of the apartment of 63-C. The dead was clad in a khaki-shalwar kameez. Investigators belonging to the rangers and police were seen examining papers from a pouch lying on top of a room-cooler. They also took finger-prints from the TV set, room cooler and other articles. At about 12:30pm police locked the building entrance after senior police officials left the place. At around 5pm, the officials again visited the spot and went to the apartment. During that time pictures and finger-prints were again obtained. Around 5:30pm, two bodies were taken from the spot to the JPMC for autopsy.