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To: LindyBill who wrote (43148)	9/11/2002 12:34:38 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

The big news of the last 60 days is that the Pals have lost the war. Our refusal to deal with Arafat will be revealed by History to be a major step in this victory, IMO. Agreed. Now if only our own media would report the story. Even if it's kind of embarrassing after having piously intoned 'there is no military solution' 50 times. I just heard Charlie Rose talking to a Sixty Minutes producer about their exclusive interview with President Bush to be shown soon (tomorrow, I think). The producer mentioned that President Bush refers to Arafat as an "utter failure" in the interview.

To: LindyBill who wrote (43148)	9/11/2002 6:28:36 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

opendemocracy.net A Dinkum Kiwi bloke: <“Fear - who cares?” reads a sign on Alan Beaven’s desk. Alan was my friend, and he died defending the same principles for which he lived: love, self-sacrifice, and the rule of law over the rule of violence.> They didn't find much of him in the cockpit, but they did find his wedding ring and wallet. His voice is on the cockpit voice recorder. <The thing I keep reading here and in the media is fear. Fear of the Arab street. Fear of Arab backlash. Fear, Fear, Fear. We are at War. Time for a little "Patton." "Do not take counsel with your Fears." > A Good Kiwi Bloke, in the cockpit, stopping the only plane which didn't get to the target. Thanks to CDMA [and other cellphones] phones linking passengers to their families, plus a bunch of passengers who realized they'd better not find out where the hijackers planned to crash them. I cannot understand why communities don't ensure that the criminals are the ones who feel the fear, instead of women walking alone at night, or people letting their children walk alone to school, or going about their business. It's so easy. Criminals in NZ sneer at the media and the courts and the community. They do that because the consequences of being caught are to be rewarded. Most people don't understand the reward system because it doesn't match a normal person's sense of reward. But the youngest murderer in NZ, convicted just a couple of weeks ago, thinks he's a hero because he's been a huge photo on the front page and on the tv news etc. His fan club wants his autograph. He'll get lots of help and all mod cons. He will be well rewarded for his murderous efforts. Osama and Saddam are being rewarded too. They don't feel the fear. Saddam is having the time of his life. He's the centre of the world. Hero of Islam. Osama is a hero too. Hitler was a hero too - while he was winning. But most Germans don't fondly remember the glorious days of the Third Reich now. Transfer the fear to the Matrix of Malevolence. Mqurice PS: A week or two ago, I suggested to Act New Zealand that he be posthumously awarded NZ's best award for heroism [now there has been some news about him, I guess he'll be given a high award - he certainly did a lot more than the self-important committee in-crowd who puff themselves up in the local scene].