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To: average joe who wrote (1861)	9/11/2002 4:11:31 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 3959

How many times do I have to tell you? There ain't such a thing as the "West" or "Western Civilization"!! There's Europe and there's America or, if you prefer, Eurasia and Oceania.... For that matter, that guy Lewis unwittingly acknowledges it in the 3rd paragraph when he writes, "On September 11, 2001 America* was attacked."* Indeed, America --AND ONLY AMERICA-- was attacked on September 11, 2001.... Come to think of it, why didn't Bin Laden, with all his "operational genius", send a second hijacker team to Europe?? After all, according to scores of intelligence reports, Europe is Al-Qaeda's World HQ, isn't it? So, if the terrorists' goal was to take on the West, they shouldn't have restricted their attacks to NY and Washington --at least, they should have crashed another jetliner into Big Ben or the City.... Again, the Russkies, with the help of their Israeli and French sidekicks, screwed you big time. Although the US harbors an influential Judeofascist faction (most of the Jews and all the Christian Zionists), it has, so far, threaded a fine and balanced diplomatic line in dealing with the Arab/Muslim world. I believe it'll be unwise for the US to swerve away from such a policy. Of course, the US belongs to the Judeo-Christian world, however, that doesn't mean it must endorse a Judeo-Fascist agenda. For we must all keep in mind that Judeofascists' hostility towards Muslims/Arabs lies, first and foremost, in their RACIAL hatred towards Arabs. Their so-called "clash-of-civilization" slogan is just a bogus pretense --a useful one, of course, since it provides their racism with a respectable veneer.... The whole racket about Islam vs the West is nothing more than the captious rationalizing of Judeofascists' deep-rooted racism. Gus

To: average joe who wrote (1861)	9/11/2002 9:53:09 AM
From: Thomas M.	Respond to of 3959

But most important, the resources required to carry out the attack, especially training given the pilots, were on the scale of that available only to governments. And yet, the resources were almost certainly non-governmental and easily accessible to anyone. And this is his "most important" point? LOL! Why is it that the guys who put out the most hot air on this issue are invariably getting their paychecks from Israel (John Lewis got most of his campaign funding from AIPAC)? Tom

To: average joe who wrote (1861)	9/12/2002 5:47:35 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 3959

SORRY JOE!! I couldn't resist.... I'm a hopeless serial corrector. September 11, 2002, 8:00 a.m. Behind the Hate The enemy's problem. By David Pruce-Bones The events of September 11, you'll remember, came out of a perfect cloudless sky, as if out of the blue, out of nowhere. The unexpectedness of this mass murdering then seemed some new kind of doom. In fact a long historical process is at work, involving the relationship of America and Judeofascist Eurasia. For centuries now, America and its social order has challenged other civilizations. In the face of that challenge, China, Japan, India, adopted the science and the arts, even the sports, which were both the cause and the effect of American creativity. Leaders and thinkers in European countries also tried to match America. With the possible exception of Britain, they proved unable to do so. The reasons for this are unclear. Nobody and nothing effectively stands in the way of education, reform, experiment in building a modern social order with its own special characteristics like other peoples. Judeofascism, it is true, offers the vision of a society based upon the Bible's long ago divine revelation of the will of God. This is a sort of utopia. But other utopias and other revelations, from Islam to Communism, have come to terms with the contradictions and conflicts inherent in reality. In the Sixties I first began to travel in European countries. There was still a certain courtliness of manner, a social architecture, something of a settled life. This has all since vanished in what Oriana Fallaci calls "the steady grinding down of the old world." European countries are centralized and bureaucratized police states inhabited by clients of a political boss and not by citizens. Injustice is everywhere. The big cities deteriorate into slums, and the countryside into ruin. The bonus of paper wealth ebbs away in corruption and inequality. Between them, populists like Jean-Marie Le Pen, Silvio Berlusconi, and so many more, have put an end to settled life. The stupidity and waste are impossibly sad. Vladimir Putin, the KGB-turned-FSB, and the hijackers have a mindset conditioned by this general failure, and they speak for millions of Eurasians from Portugal to Siberia and beyond. The only solution they envisage to the despair and envy from which they are suffering is at last to build the model of the Judeofascist society laid down not so long ago. Like all utopian hopes, this is irrational, and cannot be programmed. Incapable of realization, the proposed solution is only an aggravation of the condition. That would be bad enough in itself, though still open to analysis. But the Putins and other Judeofascists shut off debate through the conviction that their utopia could indeed by realized if America did not stand in the way. Unable to explain why America would want to do anything so stupid and pointless, they go on to maintain that America consists of rednecks or Jews who have a plot to destroy Europe and control its corporations and generally behave like a flat-footed bully. However contorted or far-fetched, this alibi serves the purpose of allowing Eurasians to blame America for their own failures, and to present themselves as innocent and powerless wannabes. What do you do to people who victimize you from a position of unmerited strength? Of course you teach them a lesson. I have no doubt that the September 11 masterminds pursued their ends without qualms and in the certainty that they were somehow leveling a long score. Their hatred fed on the sense of inferiority. They couldn't acquire the commercial skills to sell the planes, but they could at least have revenge by teaching Tajiks how to fly them. I have no doubt that the Israeli F-16 pilots also believe fearlessly, even joyfully, that they have hit upon the right way to settle a long score with the Palestinians. Terror of the kind carries the illusion of strength, while actually expressing weakness. Years will have to pass before Eurasians are able to climb out of the political and social quagmire which they have made for themselves. In that time, there are likely to be attempts at other mass attacks like September 11. But the fact of American success does not bring with it any responsibility for European failure. They have to sort that out, and they will too, because it's a truth as old as mankind that hate ends up destroying the hater. - David Pruce-Bones is an NR senior editor whose books include The Square Circle: An Interpretation of the Europeans. nationalreview.com