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To: terry richardson who wrote (18733)9/12/2002 12:28:13 PM
From: isopatch  Respond to of 36161
 
Terry. Speaking of that little smackdown

Was hoping the gimmick boys might try that around the time of Bush's UN speech, in an effort to keep the clown buck from taking an immediate hit as a thumbs down verdict on the speech. Hey, what's a few million of the tax payers money so that our Pres isn't embarrassed?<lol>

Anyhow, guessed right, and added a bit more to LT PM positions.

Regarding physical PMs, there are dealers who will pay delivery and insurance charges. Plus, their prices are excellent. One I've used several times, and like, is:

tulving.com

Toll free in USA is 800-995-1708.

Hope that helps.

Isopatch



To: terry richardson who wrote (18733)9/12/2002 11:49:15 PM
From: terry richardson  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 36161
 
To the Board:

This morning I posted a link to an article by a Dr. Murenbeeld on hedging in general and on Barricks hedges in particular located here:

mips1.net

Click on the BarrickHedge.pdf icon to download the article if you didn’t do it the first time.

I thought it was worth a read especially as it explained the Spot Deferred hedges, which seem to be peculiar to Barrick alone.

Anyhow David Vaughn, one of the guys at Le Metropole Café has posted a reply which is well worth a read here: lemetropolecafe.com

For those who don’t have membership to LemetropoleCafe.com (Its about $150 per year but I believe there’s a trial period available) I have received permission to post the whole article here below.

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Response To Murenbeeld “…Hedging”

No, I could not idly sit back and allow this article to go unchallenged.

I would like to humbly respond to M. Murenbeelds’ article defending the practice of hedging. I will be very short & sweet. I will respond to this article by repeating Murenbeelds’ own dialogue which I believe contradicts everything this man has said in his 22 page article.

“Producers who received lower gold prices for their output because Barrick (and others) were hedging the price risk of their future output do have a point, to be sure. The price of gold would have been HIGHER had there been no hedging. But given that Barrick management believes that their hedging Program is in the best interest of the company and its shareholders, it seems to me that there could indeed be a class action suit against Barrick by its shareholders if management went against its own best judgment in this regard.”

OK. Let’s look carefully at what this individual has just said.

“The price of gold would have been HIGHER had there been no hedging.”

There is not an industry today in any market that does not see the advantages of working together even with their competitors for the best interests of the product that they sell. The oil industry does not engage in practices that will ultimately & knowingly work toward the destruction of the price structure of oil. The milk industry works together as a whole to promote milk and its long term price structure.

“The price of gold would have been HIGHER had there been no hedging.”

Yes, if Barrick had not acted as the market leader in engaging in practices that were knowingly destructive to the price structure of gold the industry today would have been better off. I give M. Murenbleed credit for admitting that Barrick has succeeded in RAPING the very industry it pretends to represent.

Lets’ repeat M. Murenbeelds words one more time because this is an important admission to what Barrick has knowingly schemed to accomplish:

“The price of gold would have been HIGHER had there been no hedging.”

OK, let’s go over another statement.

But given that Barrick management believes that their hedging Program is in the best interest of the company and its shareholders, it seems to me that there could indeed be a class action suit against Barrick by its shareholders if management went against its own best judgment in this regard.”

Here, Murenbeeld acknowledges that ultimately the shareholders are the appropriate arbiter & jury in JUDGING the actions of a company.

Lets look at where the share price of Barrick is today in relation to its competitors. But before we do let’s read again:

“…it seems to me that there could indeed be a class action suit against Barrick by its shareholders if management went against its own best judgment in this regard.”

I personally monitor every single day the share price performance of close to 150 individual gold & silver mining stocks. The average performance for all of these mining companies for the past calendar year is +57.04%. Let me repeat this number again:

+57.04%

OK. Let’s see how individually Barrick has performed in the past year. Look reeeeeal good at the numbers below:

Name Symbol Shares Paid Last Volume Value(Mkt) Gain
Barrick Gold ABX 1 17.35 17.02 765,000 17.06 (-.33) -1.90%

My oh my! It appears the shareholders of Barrick have judged their own stock and they have found Barrick GUILTY in the First Degree!!!

I want to personally thank M. Murenbeeld for so eloquently condemning both the practice of hedging and for highlighting very well the damage that Barrick has created to the gold mining industry (& itself).

THANK YOU Mr. MURENBEELD FOR WRITING AN ARTICLE THAT SO EFFECTIVELY EXPOSES THE HORRORS OF THE PRACTICE OF HEDGING AND FOR EXPOSING BARRICKS ROLE IN THIS DESTRUCTIVE PRACTISE.

* * * * *
David N. Vaughn
Gold Letter, Inc.
(864) 354-1519
(864) 329-9894
David4054@charter.net



To: terry richardson who wrote (18733)9/16/2002 12:02:53 AM
From: terry richardson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 36161
 
Asia central banks upping gold reserves
By Sonia Kolesnikov
UPI Business Correspondent
From the Business & Economics Desk
Published 9/13/2002 9:22 AM


SINGAPORE, Sept. 13 (UPI) -- Asian central banks are likely to increase their gold holdings as they reassess their international reserves' overdependence on the U.S. dollar given the current economic environment, a senior official from the World Gold Council said Friday.

"I suspect that Asian central banks are starting to relook at their position in gold, and it would not surprise me if they start buying gold," said Ralston Thiedeman, WGC's director for East Asia.

Central banks around the world hold about 33,000 tons in gold reserves, but Asian central banks only own a fraction of this total. Typically and traditionally, Asian central banks hold between 1 percent and 4 percent of their total reserves in gold, as a ratio. This compared with a 7 percent to 12 percent ratio in the Middle East, a 35 percent to 45 percent ratio among European central banks and 58 percent for the U.S. Federal Reserve.

"We, at the World Gold Council, believe that the Asian central banks hold too little gold," Thiedeman told United Press International on the side of a conference. "We believe there has been an overdependence on the U.S. dollar, and the council has been encouraging Asian central banks to relook at their gold reserves and their ratio, and to have a clear and unambiguous policy on gold."

Thiedeman said many Asian central banks "clearly realize and acknowledge that they have been overreliant and overinvested on the U.S. dollar." Given the current geopolitical risks and economic scenarios, given the size of the U.S. current account deficit (around $450 billion or 4 percent of GDP), the dollar is likely to weaken over the coming months, Thiedeman argued. As gold is negatively correlated to the dollar, it is likely to be a beneficiary of this weaker dollar, he added.

"We have seen 4 or 5 central banks which are now committed to writing a policy on gold, though I'm not at liberty to tell you who they are. But I have been assisting them," he said.

Thiedeman indicated that one central bank, appreciating that U.S. interest rates are at a 40-year low, is looking to reallocate its assets, reducing its exposure to U.S. Treasuries and increase its holding in gold.

In the last couple of years, several Asian central banks have been gold buyers, most notably the Chinese central bank. The Philippines central bank, as well as the central banks from Sri Lanka and Mongolia, have also be seen in the market.

Medium-term, another reason for some Asian central banks to increase their gold reserves could be the use of the gold dinar, as a means to settle international trade amongst Islamic states.

The idea has been championed by Malaysia's Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad earlier this year, as a way to prevent a repeat of the currency crisis which devastated Asia in 1997-1998. The Malaysian premier argues that while paper currency has no intrinsic value, making the exchange rate "arbitrary and subject to manipulation," the gold dinar has a definite value based on world demand for gold. According to Islamic law, the dinar is a specific weight of gold equivalent to 4.3 grams.

The dinar would not replace national currency and would only be used to settle trade.

"If the gold dinar comes into operation at some point in the future, then the implication would be that the respective Islamic central banks may have to re-evalue their gold holdings, and most likely add to their gold reserves," said Thiedeman.

Speaking at a conference organized by the Institute of Policy Studies here, Thiedeman gave a fairly positive outlook for gold, though he felt short of forecasting any price direction.

Gold traded as high as $850 an ounce in 1980, but over the last 20 years, this price has steadily declined, falling to a low of $252 in 1999. Since then, gold prices have somewhat recovered, as the metal is increasingly seen once again as a safe haven, especially as the U.S. dollar weakens. Gold currently trades around $319 an ounce, still a far cry from its heyday.

"I believe that there will always be a role for gold as long as political and financial crisis exist, so let there be no doubt that gold today is as good as it has ever been, perhaps better," he said.

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