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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (58131)	9/16/2002 2:28:17 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

How is a Canadian journalist a "traitor"? The column you refer to seems to say most of the things I have heard the extreme right wing saying: Unfortunately, Mr. Chrétien is a little muddled in his analysis of where America went wrong. He believes the problem is that the U.S. is too rich and greedy, and that it's a big bully, and that it projected its power on the world too much. But the real problem is that the U.S. went to sleep. It tolerated tyrannies, betrayed its friends, fatally weakened its intelligence capability, and willfully ignored the mounting evidence of a sophisticated state-sponsored terror network. It was guilty of monumental cultural arrogance and moral cowardice. It thought those guys with beards and turbans were just harmless crazies, and the genocide of the Kurds was of no importance, and the Saudis were their friends. The problem is that the U.S. completely failed to project its power where it mattered most.

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (58131)	9/16/2002 2:28:19 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Who's the traitor? The article's author is a Canadian. She can't be a traitor to the US. Or is Stephen O, who posted the article and said it echoed his thinking, the traitor? And if so, why? I don't think that 9/11 was our "fault," but I DO believe that it would not have happened if the US had acted very differently first in its relationships with the Arab world and second in following up on the information we had about fundamantal Islamic terrorists. So no, we didn't cause it, but our actions contributed to its happening. That's the way human interactions are -- very little is clear cut, and the causes of events are often diverse and complex. Now here's a comment that will get you incensed, I know. I am having trouble seeing what is the moral difference between bin Laden sending his forces to attack the US, and Bush threatening to send his forces to attack Iraq.

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (58131)	9/16/2002 3:03:41 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Are you sure it isn't just another point of view, held by someone who isn't a citizen? Or are you accusing the person who linked to the article of being a traitor? I think you need to find some real traitors. Look for people stealing military secrets, that kind of stuff. That would be GREAT! But you going after people because of their ideas, doesn't look so good. I am sure you have the best intentions, but remember, the road to Hell is paved with those.