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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: jttmab who wrote (14625)	9/17/2002 8:15:52 AM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 93284

Doesn't answer the question as to who was worse. Does it matter what the answer to that question is? Do you want to argue we should have allied with Hitler instead of Stalin? Regardless of what you may decide, Nazi Germany declared war against us. When you prolong a conflict by supplying arms to both countries in that conflict you ultimately make enemies [or increase the emnity] of both countries. You should expect that both countries will be problems in the future. Is that you wish to accomplish as part of your foreign policy? Of course, it isn't. A silly question. We should never have sold arms to Iran in hopes of getting hostages released. Though our assistance to either Iraq or Iran did nothing to increase their enmity to us. Iran's ruling government hated the US regardless. Saddam didn't consider us an enemy till we prevented his taking Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the other Gulf emirates. <o>Best I've been able to tell is that the Shah or Iran was far worse to his countries people than Castro ever was in Cuba. Yet, we supported the Shah and want Castro overthrown. If Castro hadn't formed a military alliance with the Soviet Union, US-Cuba relations would have been much warmer, I think. Make a checklist of what we claim our "values" to be and then look at who we support. This isn't a complete list (who has the time?), but we have supported Western Europe against the Warsaw Pact, South Korea vs North Korea, Taiwan vs Communist China, Israel vs many of its Arab neighbors. The countries we supported are today much more advanced than their neighbors by any measure - economics, human rights, democracy. We also supported South Vietnam against North Vietnam. This is the struggle we lost and as a result, South Vietnam was kept down on North Vietnam's level. I would suggest you 1) consider that there are few if any angels in the world and 2) judge the effectiveness of our foreign policy over the long term.

To: jttmab who wrote (14625)	9/17/2002 10:26:23 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

How do we evaluate that? Stalin caused more deaths, but was in power much longer. If we blame Hitler for the deaths in his theater during the war, as well as for the exterminations of the death camps, it seems likely that in the longer run, he would have done more evil, but that is somewhat speculative.......