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To: IngotWeTrust who wrote (23367)	9/17/2002 2:49:05 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

gold tutor, Re: The plan was written in 1997, 3 years before Bush even declared he was going to run. The plan, "Rebuilding America's Defenses" to which I referred was dated September, 2000. newamericancentury.org Which plan, dated 1997, are you referring to? ********************* Speaking of plans, this one is a humdinger: Message 17525586 Northwoods sort of lays out the entire scenario we've seen played out since 09/11/01, don't you think? ******************** Re: Secondly, SO THE HELL WHAT!!! Perhaps you find naked aggression, murder and arrogant imperialism to be palatable. I don't. Nor do I care for the Orwellian doublespeak that has the U.S. taxpayer paying Oil Slick Dick's Halliburton to build military outposts in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan as garrisons to protect the interests of Big Oil in the name of "National Defense". That's too blatant a lie for me to stomach. **************** Re: Frankly, I'm "comforted" that these concepts and battleplans and defense think tanks are out there and looking at the many facets of an issue Frankly, I'm appalled at how naive the American taxpayer is to not realize that our collective wealth is siphoned off by these schemes that eventually are designed to enrich a very small elite in this nation who own and run major oil and war racket industries. While at the same time blatantly and without regard for anyone else create a worldwide reign of terror. *********************** Re: IRAQ is just one of multiple targeted problems where America's defenses are concerned. Don't be silly. Defense ought to end about 12 nautical miles off the coast, or at the Mexican and Canadian borders. How in the hell anyone can call our Special Forces noodling around in Yemen, Putamayo, Moro, Tashkent, and "other undisclosed locations" is beyond my comprehension. Defense has nothing to do with it. Except for the doublespeak. ******************************** Re: a Saudi treatise when we take back the oil bidness Eisenhower foolishly gave away in the 50's to Saudi blackmailers? Huh? The process was called expropriation and it wasn't Eisenhower's decision to make. How arrogant of you to suggest this. The major oil companies were paid for their interests. The rightful owners of the oil underneath the sands of Saudi Arabia would be who, exactly, according to your worldview? You seem to be suggesting the hypocritical view that U.S. property laws are appropriate for Americans but should not be applied to foreign sovereign states when they have something that's really, really valuable and we lust after it. Then it's OK for us to say that a U.S. corporation should have superior rights. Are you trying to have it both ways here? Does it not strike you as being completely unseemly and amoral, if not immoral that our major oil corporations are already in negotiation with Iraqi dissident groups on how they are going to divide the spoils of King George's Most Excellent Iraqi Adventure? And doesnt' it seem more than a little hypocritical that these same negotiators are going to be the eventual "winners" while the American taxpayer is played for the chump and has to foot the bill for the war, and have our sons and daughters coming home in the body bags? And for what? An oil prize for a bunch of scoundrels? This is a tawdry bidness, I tells ya. PEACE NOW! We can buy the oil. What gives us the right to steal it? -Ray